Quote from: Prassel on Today at 11:11:33Und genau so läuft es ab ... wenn alles teurer wird, dann wird eben der uralte Ramsch nochmal verramscht ...

Ich habe bisher meist sehr gute Erfahrungen mit Refurbished Produkten gemacht. Und die Nachfrage dazu steigt rasant, vor allem europaweit.

Sicher kann da auch Ramsch dabei sein aber warum generalisieren? Viele Hersteller bieten tolle Geräte der aktuellen und vorherigen Generation an, insbesondere Kundenrückläufer, insbesondere wegen dem 14-tägigen Umtauschrecht.

Von daher stellt sich die Frage, ob so abgespeckte Produkte wie ein iPhone 17e noch viel Sinn ergeben.

Quote from: Prassel on Today at 14:19:54Doesn't matter though, because Intel and AMD have made a decision (or so it seems), which is that they have no interest in that, and instead want to sell the good iGPUs only soldered into laptops, mini-pcs, probably because they make more money with it. It's all about the money again ...

The whole comment is true and accurate, you said it all well, but the answer to this is simple - because cheap dGPUs for desktops will still outperform anything that an iGPU can offer. For less money.

The old RX 7600 is 231€ brand new in the EU (Germany), and it is noticeably faster than the B390: https://www.notebookcheck.net/Radeon-RX-7600-vs-Arc-B390-Panther-Lake-iGPU_11600_13268.247598.0.html

If you up your budget to 360€, you get the 9060 XT with 16 GB VRAM and even more performance over the B390: https://www.notebookcheck.net/Radeon-RX-9060-XT-vs-Arc-B390-Panther-Lake-iGPU_13070_13268.247598.0.html

So for desktops, you can save tremendous amounts of money - which you won't spend any time soon on the electricity difference by going with a 100-150W TGP dGPU (because those dGPUs idle at 0.5 to 3W and they work at full TGP only in full load, usually in gaming, but if you game 20 hours per day then you have other problems in your life, I'd argue) - and still completely wipe the floor with the B390 (or any other iGPU), plus get far greater CPU performance (also for less money).

A desktop about 2.5x faster than the X9 388H + B390 is also not just upgradable for the future but also about 45% less expensive (which you can use to get a beautiful 27" 4K/FHD dual mode 240/480 Hz display, and still have a lot of money left). Sure, you can't carry a desktop around but then getting an expensive iGPU for desktop to get less performance than cheaper dGPU - matters even less. It's easy to put an iGPU in a laptop, but the same is not possible with a desktop GPU (eGPU setup as the only option).

Wireless chargers is a plague of the ecology. They produce more electronic waste, 2 times less efficient and at least 2 times slower. But still people keep buying them because it's hard to beat laziness to plug the cable to the phone instead.

Quote from: 2600 on Yesterday at 18:39:57It's using laptop levels of power consumption @ 25w. That's pretty insane and will kill a battery with the heat it produces alone.

And this was tested with mobile games. Lord knows what will happen once someone starts emulating full pc games on this thing.

In case you are referring to Exynos - then that's some biased nonsense. 2600 hits the same temperatures as SD while using inferior cooling in S26+, compared to huge vapor chamber in S26U. And it will work the same in emulation as in mobile games, they are all limited by thermal package. The tests I've seen used very demanding titles, at least based on SD underperformance..