Thank you!

Quote from: No whitelist on Yesterday at 13:54:54You're still free to install whatever OS or application you want on Macs

No you are not. since Apple introduced the T2 security chip on the boot system unless the OS is approved and signed by Apple you can't install it. At least without special hacks.

Basically you can only run whatever apps are ported to macOS, nothing else (natively).

And if you are like to play games. The chromebooks I linked can run smoothly literally million of Android games. MacBook Neo I doubt it can run even the very few games that are ported for the bigger Macs. Not smoothly at least.

Quote from: Fordon on Yesterday at 15:54:47I don't agree on "Chromebook-level of computer". I'm not an apple user/fan, but this has M1 level performance on passive cooling, 500nits screen, metal chassis, non-membrane keyboard and speakers better than in 90% of windows laptops. It's limited only by the amount of ram, but having previous experience with macbooks - MacOS handles small amount of ram much-much better than windows. Go try any Chromebook for real before comparing - they are mostly plastic trash with Intel Pentium CPUs. While the "premium" Chromebooks cost 800$+. It's just childish no-argument hate for Neo. I hope that Neo will shake the windows laptops market and we'll finally see some quality as a standard.

The Chromebook comparison is faulty in the sense where the Macbook Neo is low-end hardware (by notebook standards) vs Chromebooks run web apps and have very little local (fast) storage, like thin clients.

The Neo should be compared to notebooks in the same price range that run Windows, and yes they are absolutely terrible: slow-poke chips, snail-like SSDs, but mostly terribly dim screens of questionable quality that will wreck your eyesight.

I recently looked at notebooks in the $400-500 range for one of my aunts, I ended up "recommending" some generic piece of plastic with a HP logo on it; it runs, it allows her to do her banking and Facebook stuff, but really it's the type of piece of junk nobody will be surprised to find dead one morning.

PC makers have gotten away with these crap notebooks for too long and thought nobody would come challenge them on this turf.

I'm not a fan of the Neo and I'm not even the target audience for this, but Apple is certainly going to wake the others up with this product.

Thanks for the quick testing, I'm particularly grateful you include M5 Pro, as that's the version I'm personally interested in.

Would be great to see something like LM Studio testing, as this was one of the major improvements with these new chips and M5 was indeed noticeably better at it than the previous generation.

Note that you want to report prefill number and tokens/second. For best comparison, you can directly use any GGUF model for Nvidia/AMD and MLX models for Apple, as the latter introduces some additional special optimizations for Apple's GPUs. Nvidia's CUDA is quite well optimized with pretty much any GGUF version.