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Quote from: ArsLoginName on Today at 00:29:39'...beats the Max+ 395..." Single core 3057/2929 =1.0437 or by 4.3% coming out 1 year later and manufactured on more advanced nodes. Wow. Shocking.... As for multi-core the 388H gets 17687 while Ryzen Max+ 395 has 19000.... So it loses by 7% but that is to be expected since it only has about 14 cores as the 4 LPE probably count as 2 cores or so....

Single core performance is mainly about clock speeds. This Panther Lake looks like it will perform very well at much lower total power draw than Max 390/395/285HX and should only really be compared to 285H or 370.

I'll bet it trashes both the current Intel and AMD on efficiency too.

It's not always about clock speed. Improving IPC will also improve single core performance at the same clocks. Apple's relatively wide front-end is pretty good at that, so it doesn't need high clocks. x86 designs are moving in that direction too, but only insomuch as the wider execution units can remain fed. If they're sitting halfway idle under load, that's a bad design that has a bottleneck elsewhere in the architecture.

Pushing higher clocks with narrower execution units is a tried and true approach, but even that requires some clever design tricks to scale performance up.

Sadly, even 8 MB of VRAM is enough for approximately 99.5% of "modern games", given how bland, generic, uninspiring, and overall boring they often are. They are simply not worth wasting any time and money on, heh...

Lets not forget that "pawn shop" = USED!

While possibly/obviously under priced even for the USED market, those that can't afford CURRENT GENERATION NEW stuff can often find fairly good deals on USED stuff.

A recent purchase of a Thinkpad i7/16GB/512GB/WIN11 for $260 is surely no exception.

YMMV.

Two thousand dollars. You are calling it some kind of good deal? Two thousand dollars to play games and surf the internet etc. On which planet do you think this is affordable? I am a middle-aged father with a salary that barely makes it to the next month, and that makes me more well-off than at least 50% of the world's population. This price is insanely high to play games a far less priced console can run at high settings, or even a decent gaming laptop can play at a third of the price. Aggressive pricing it is: that is way higher than the majority of the world could afford.

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Great shill work 👍🏻 goes around saying just how horrible stutter etc is on 8GB of vram and provides statistics even how he's right... only to then at the end say it works good 🤣 did u bot read ure own article; it's as if talking to 2 completely different people/personalities ?
This is why gamers hate you

Note = just because if u can manage to play a game @ 720p with all settings down and DLSS to not surpass that 8GB limit on demanding games this does NOT mean it's right.
Its 2025... minimum should be 1440 at ATLEAST 60FPS even on budget parts if they are the latest/modern hardware... if at 8GB u surpass said limit or BARELY not surpass it its unacceptable. And dont get me started @ 4K with practices like NVidia's 80s ending cards... 70s & below are very budget for people who dont try to play @ 4K so its understandable that those have limits... but a 3080 for example has the capacity to play most games @ 4K with MOST settings on high yet ALWAYS have bottlenecks with VRAM because 10-12 just isn't enough... and some games as much as it sucks we can understand like cyberpunk... game is huge and very demanding so we can understand why it need tip-top harware; but games like say MK1 ?
Ridiculous...