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Re: XMG Pro 17 and Neo 17 panels spec
« Antwort #15 am: Mai 16, 2019, 19:22:35 »
BTW, some components (CPU, keyboard) of ordered laptop marked as "In the inflow". How it will affect delivery time?

Should not affect your order at all. All items and variations for SCHENKER COMPACT 17 with i7-9750H are in stock.

/edit Order number received via PM and expedited. Stock infos on Bestware will be to be fixed tomorrow. All items are in stock.

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Re: XMG Pro 17 and Neo 17 panels spec
« Antwort #16 am: Mai 30, 2019, 01:29:41 »
So, finally my New Compact 17 arrived:
1 x 17.3" Full HD IPS | 144 Hz | Thin Bezel LG LP173WFG-SPB1
1 x NVIDIA GeForce RTX 2060 | 6 GB GDDR6
1 x Intel Core i7-9750H
2 x 16 GB (32 GB) DDR4-2666 Corsair Vengeance
1 x 500 GB M.2 Samsung 970 EVO Plus | PCIe 3.0 x4 | NVMe
1 x 2 TB Seagate FireCuda | 8 GB SSD-Cache
1 x Killer Wireless-AC 1550 | Bluetooth 5.0

Just want to share some facts, houpe it will be useful.
My main question was about new LCD because I need good colors for Photoshop. Laptop have LG LP173WFG-SPB1 panel, and after first look and calibration attempts, I should say that panel looks just brilliant.
- I don't see any noticeable backlight bleeding
- I don't see any PWM (after pen test, I do not have proper equipment), but pen test mean that PWM is higher than 1000Hz or not existing.
- good brightness distribution (uniformity) on the surface
- and finally, very good calibration results with Average DE = 0.29, Maximum DE = 1.44, 95% sRGB Gamut.
Attached Argyll reports, all made with ColorMunki Photo. Calibration was done at 50% backlight (measured 170 cd/m) to target white level 120 cd/m.
16:01:59,851 Uncalibrated response:
16:01:59,851 Black level = 0.2652 cd/m^2
16:01:59,851 50%   level = 75.41 cd/m^2
16:01:59,851 White level = 330.73 cd/m^2
16:01:59,851 Aprox. gamma = 2.13
16:01:59,851 Contrast ratio = 1247:1
16:01:59,851 White chromaticity coordinates 0.3009, 0.3155
16:01:59,851 White    Correlated Color Temperature = 7373K, DE 2K to locus =  3.6
16:01:59,851 White Correlated Daylight Temperature = 7377K, DE 2K to locus =  1.2
16:01:59,851 White        Visual Color Temperature = 7191K, DE 2K to locus =  3.4
16:01:59,851 White     Visual Daylight Temperature = 7436K, DE 2K to locus =  1.1
16:01:59,851 Effective Video LUT entry depth seems to be 8 bits

https://filebin.net/wzoiqemd3keh5g94/lcd.zip?t=6vvgzu7x


Overall laptop impression is wonderful. Only one weak point from my point of view (but I compare with my old Lenovo W-series) - is a keyboard. But this is last problem.

Everything else is very impressive.
- It is really fast, too much fast after 6 years old intel-I7 ;))
- silent when surfing. CPU fan is rotating at minimal speed, but it almost silent: Seagate HDD sounds louder than fan, but it quickly falls asleep.
- not so loud in games as i was afraid. I can comfortably play without headphones.
- compact. I smoothly moved from 15" Thinkpad, they looks just the same size and weight.

Additionally, I want to ask a little help, I can't find some options. I missed it, or it not possible:
1. Has it option to stop charge battery below 100% when at home? This is very good for battery health.
2. Is it possible to use fingerprint reader to enter HDD password when booting?
3. Where is explained  what exact mean 4 power modes in control center? What frequencies limited, etc.?

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Re: XMG Pro 17 and Neo 17 panels spec
« Antwort #17 am: Mai 30, 2019, 04:32:46 »
Hi rusm,

thank you for your wonderful feedback!

About the keyboard: I'm sure your impression will get better over time, once you got used to the different feeling of the keycaps and the membrane.

To your questions:

1. On older models we had an option called "FlexiCharger" in the BIOS. I need to double check if this is already implemented on current Insyde-UEFI on PRO series.

2. Using Fingerprint for HDD password at BIOS level is not possible as far as I know. Do you know any laptops which support this feature? Feel free to share picture/video and model name, so I can bring it back to our ODM.

3. The 4 power modes are described in this table:



* increased GPU TDP only applies to GPU's where NVIDIA has planned for such TDP-up moves. Currently this only affects Max-Q models. In XMG PRO / SCHENKER COMPACT series with Max-P designs, the TDP levels are fixed at 180W for RTX 2060 and 230W for RTX 2070.

The ODM does not want us to share the exact numbers behind each scheme (still up to debate) but I can tell you the CPU TDP numbers for PRO 17 / COMPACT 17 with i7-9750H
Entertainment: 45W PL1, 78W PL2
Performance: 55W PL1, 90W PL2

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Re: XMG Pro 17 and Neo 17 panels spec
« Antwort #18 am: Mai 30, 2019, 12:52:05 »
Hello Tom.
Thank you, I found FlexiCharger in my bios, it works exactly as I need.

Fingerprint: this feature present in Thinkpad W-series, and I think in following P-series too. When I power on this laptop, I can scan finger just once, and it will unlock BIOS, all HDD passwords, and winlogon. So, it need to be implemented in BIOS and in Windows software.
Here is the manual where described similar functionality: https://www.manualslib.com/manual/720105/Lenovo-Preferred-Pro.html?page=13

In Schenker BIOS HDD unlock process now a bit uncomfortable: before enter password we need use a mouse to pick the hdd before typing (even if only one HDD have password) - a bit excess actions.
If fingerprint functionality can be hard to implement, may I suggest at least, change the way how to enter hdd password: will be better if after power button we can right away start typing first password, then Enter, then the next password if needed. Or hit Esc in any time.
Also, now I see BIOS option to add one password to all HDD at one time - it would be logical if we can also unlock all HDD with this single password, but this not working.


Keyboard: For me main difference is not a membrane, but keys positioning design - groups of keys not separated (f-keys for example can be divided by 3 groups, arrow keys divided from others, etc) So when I want work fast use touch typing, keyboard looks too uniformly. Anyway, this is minor inconvenience to which I can get used.

Thank you for great machine.


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Re: XMG Pro 17 and Neo 17 panels spec
« Antwort #19 am: Juni 03, 2019, 15:07:08 »
So, finally my New Compact 17 arrived:
1 x 17.3" Full HD IPS | 144 Hz | Thin Bezel LG LP173WFG-SPB1
1 x NVIDIA GeForce RTX 2060 | 6 GB GDDR6
1 x Intel Core i7-9750H
2 x 16 GB (32 GB) DDR4-2666 Corsair Vengeance
1 x 500 GB M.2 Samsung 970 EVO Plus | PCIe 3.0 x4 | NVMe
1 x 2 TB Seagate FireCuda | 8 GB SSD-Cache
1 x Killer Wireless-AC 1550 | Bluetooth 5.0

Just want to share some facts, houpe it will be useful.
My main question was about new LCD because I need good colors for Photoshop. Laptop have LG LP173WFG-SPB1 panel, and after first look and calibration attempts, I should say that panel looks just brilliant.
- I don't see any noticeable backlight bleeding
- I don't see any PWM (after pen test, I do not have proper equipment), but pen test mean that PWM is higher than 1000Hz or not existing.
- good brightness distribution (uniformity) on the surface
- and finally, very good calibration results with Average DE = 0.29, Maximum DE = 1.44, 95% sRGB Gamut.
Attached Argyll reports, all made with ColorMunki Photo. Calibration was done at 50% backlight (measured 170 cd/m) to target white level 120 cd/m.

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Hey, thanks for you impressions.

You said you didn't notice any noticeable backlight bleeding.
Could you please post some pictures/video of your display @ backlight bleeding test?
I'm trying to decide if my panel on the Pro variant is acceptable or not and need some comparison from other users.
Thanks!  :)

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Re: XMG Pro 17 and Neo 17 panels spec
« Antwort #20 am: Juni 05, 2019, 01:29:11 »
Hello.
Here is a photo with max brightness in dark room (one tungsten 30w lamp behind the screen).
https://filebin.net/unoxg2wu3vfbvw7v/P1990225.jpg?t=9jn4aqll

It looks close to what I can see by eyes, very small problem in bottom left. In real world, with proper light, screen looks just black.

Please note, that I have new 17" model with LG LP173WFG-SPB1 panel.

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Re: XMG Pro 17 and Neo 17 panels spec
« Antwort #21 am: Juni 05, 2019, 14:50:40 »
Hello.
Here is a photo with max brightness in dark room (one tungsten 30w lamp behind the screen).
https://filebin.net/unoxg2wu3vfbvw7v/P1990225.jpg?t=9jn4aqll

It looks close to what I can see by eyes, very small problem in bottom left. In real world, with proper light, screen looks just black.

Please note, that I have new 17" model with LG LP173WFG-SPB1 panel.

Yeah you've got a good screen from what I can tell, really just a bit of BLB, though its not really a dark room  :D

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Re: XMG Pro 17 and Neo 17 panels spec
« Antwort #22 am: Juni 05, 2019, 16:14:19 »
Is LP173WFG-SPB1 also used in the new version of Schenker Media 17 ?

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Re: XMG Pro 17 and Neo 17 panels spec
« Antwort #23 am: Juni 06, 2019, 15:59:32 »
Is LP173WFG-SPB1 also used in the new version of Schenker Media 17 ?

Coincidentally, yes.

But you already guessed so from the advertised 95% sRGB in both COMPACT 17 and MEDIA 17. You guessed correctly! :)

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Re: XMG Pro 17 and Neo 17 panels spec
« Antwort #24 am: Juni 21, 2019, 20:39:22 »
Hi rusm,

feedback:

1. In the ultimate fight of XMG PRO 17 vs. XMG NEO 17, the NEO actually runs a bit quieter and slightly cooler.

XMG NEO 17XMG PRO 17
Furmark/PrimeNoise51 db54 db
max. CPU Temp96°C97°C
max. GPU Temp70°C79°C
average CPU Speed3440 Mhz3107 Mhz
average GPU Speed1065 Mhz1325 Mhz
Witcher 3Noise47 dB53 dB
max. CPU Temp84°C94°C
max. GPU Temp72°C73°C
average CPU Speed3882 Mhz3876 Mhz
average GPU Speed1440 Mhz1395 Mhz

Values taken from samples in February and March 2019. Both samples with i7-8750H, 2x 16GB RAM and RTX 2060 Max-P.
The upgrade to i7-9750H does not make a difference in either of these. Pending further tweaks and driver updates, your milage may vary.


Any more questions, feel free to ask!

Cheers,
XMG|Tom

Hello!
I am looking to buy XMG PRO 17 (2019)
But I can not understand why its so hot.
The cooling system looks pretty good, but why such a high temperature?
Over 90 °C its a lot. Did you use it without pad?
And one more - can you tell which models(XMG) have the best cooling system?



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Re: XMG Pro 17 and Neo 17 panels spec
« Antwort #25 am: Juni 22, 2019, 07:38:51 »
Hello!

those values are taken under unter the "Performance" Setting in the most extreme situations. Taken without thermal pad - just laptop on desk. Temperatures drops significantly if you use some G-SYNC frame limiting.

Why are things hot? Because Intel and NVIDIA have consistently raised their power demands for each generation. For example, the CPU might say "TDP 45W" on paper, but in order to reach the advertised Turbo Boost values, the CPU in "Performance" profile actually goes up to 90W for 48 seconds, then stays at 55W.

Anyway, in real-world situations the temperatures are lower. And the temperature read-outs are deep in the CPU/GPU cores, not on the mainboard.
By the way, NVIDIA's recommended maximum core temperature is 87°C while Intel's is close to 100°C.

The best cooling system we have in XMG ULTRA Series, but it comes at the price of weight and volume. Overall, all high-end series like XMG CORE, NEO, PRO, ULTRA and SCHENKER KEY and MEDIA have pretty good cooling systems now and a lot of options for customizations, including CPU undervolting.

Cheers,
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