MSI GE63VR Raider-075 (i7-7700HQ, GTX 1070, Full-HD) Laptop Review

[Redaktion]

Daring to be imperfect. What, a TN panel in a $1800 gaming notebook? Yes, MSI has done it again and prioritized 120-Hz and quick response times. If you can work with this, you will probably be happy to overlook the few problems this otherwise well-made notebook has. Only one of MSI's decisions is rather questionable.

https://www.notebookcheck.net/MSI-GE63VR-Raider-075-i7-7700HQ-GTX-1070-Full-HD-Laptop-Review.261596.0.html

[Daniel S. Hansen]

Great review.

But, the internal layout is so wrong, thats sad.

[Betaminos]

[The processor heated up to a maximum of 97 °C (~206.6 °F) during our stress test (Prime95 + FurMark) and clocked between 3.1 and 3.2 GHz, which means there is no throttling.  .... The GPU did not reach critical temperatures at a maximum of 97 °C (~206.6 °F).

Are you serious?!
While those processors are no longer advertised as having a fixed clock rate, they are being advertised as having a turbo functionality that offers a clock rate of 3.4GHz when all cores are loaded.
This speed is obviously not available to the customer - so yes, it IS throttling :-/
And while you might think that 97ºC is not critical (at least you don't mention anything resembling this point) it is dangerously close to the maximum temperature allowed for those CPUs.
(Which is 100ºC - and you might have heard about laptops building up dust and having worse cooling a few months / years down the road due to wear...)

Plus, it has been common sense for the last few years to keep GPUs under 90ºC which most users will regard as critical.
(Which might just be the reason why your GPU is throttling as well...)
Just keep in mind that both CPU and GPU are soldered onto your mainboard.
You are not able to exchange either component if it fails - and Pascal GPUs are known to be quite short-lived under less than ideal conditions.

I would therefore like to argue that while this article does show some interesting numbers, it fails to call attention to the critical temperatures under load, which is ironical when your site has recently discussed this very issue.

Sources:
https://www.notebookcheck.net/Intel-Core-i7-7700HQ-Notebook-Processor.187975.0.html
http://www.cpu-world.com/CPUs/Core_i7/Intel-Core%20i7%20i7-7700HQ.html
http://www.pcgameshardware.de/Geforce-GTX-1080-Ti-11G-Grafikkarte-265855/News/Pascal-Spannungserhoehung-Lebensdauer-1224184/
https://www.notebookcheck.net/Opinion-It-s-time-we-talked-about-throttling-in-reviews.234232.0.html

[FilthyCasual]

[The processor heated up to a maximum of 97 °C (~206.6 °F) during our stress test (Prime95 + FurMark) and clocked between 3.1 and 3.2 GHz, which means there is no throttling.  .... The GPU did not reach critical temperatures at a maximum of 97 °C (~206.6 °F).

Are you serious?!
While those processors are no longer advertised as having a fixed clock rate, they are being advertised as having a turbo functionality that offers a clock rate of 3.4GHz when all cores are loaded.
This speed is obviously not available to the customer - so yes, it IS throttling :-/
And while you might think that 97ºC is not critical (at least you don't mention anything resembling this point) it is dangerously close to the maximum temperature allowed for those CPUs.
(Which is 100ºC - and you might have heard about laptops building up dust and having worse cooling a few months / years down the road due to wear...)

Plus, it has been common sense for the last few years to keep GPUs under 90ºC which most users will regard as critical.
(Which might just be the reason why your GPU is throttling as well...)
Just keep in mind that both CPU and GPU are soldered onto your mainboard.
You are not able to exchange either component if it fails - and Pascal GPUs are known to be quite short-lived under less than ideal conditions.

I would therefore like to argue that while this article does show some interesting numbers, it fails to call attention to the critical temperatures under load, which is ironical when your site has recently discussed this very issue.

Sources:
https://www.notebookcheck.net/Intel-Core-i7-7700HQ-Notebook-Processor.187975.0.html
http://www.cpu-world.com/CPUs/Core_i7/Intel-Core%20i7%20i7-7700HQ.html
http://www.pcgameshardware.de/Geforce-GTX-1080-Ti-11G-Grafikkarte-265855/News/Pascal-Spannungserhoehung-Lebensdauer-1224184/
https://www.notebookcheck.net/Opinion-It-s-time-we-talked-about-throttling-in-reviews.234232.0.html

Somebody's got a rather salty tone. To the comment on the throttling and high temps, those occurred while running their unrealistically demanding test - running Prime AND Furmark. This indicates a worse case scenario that most people would never achieve unless they are doing something crazy like running 3D rendering and video encoding at the same time.

On a normal cinebench test, they got the CPU to stay at 3.4 Ghz; "The CPU ran the single-thread Cinebench R15 benchmark at 3.4 - 3.8 GHz and the multithread load at a constant 3.4 GHz. The scores only varied slightly and did not seem to drop in the Cinebench loop." If it can sustain 3.4 Ghz turbo while running Cinebench, I'd say temps are pretty good - probably in the 80s or lower compared to the stress test.

For the gpu, when running Unigine test got the GPU to 73 C, which is not too bad.

So your complaints are only warrant if you are actually running insane workloads every day. And if you are a full time developer and media editor running who does such, then your complaints are warrant. Just know that there's not many laptops that will achieve what you are searching for - running the gpu and cpu at full load for hours. I recommend getting a desktop.

[Pasha]

> SSD does not have PCIe interface

Very disappointing - and I've almost purchased it (supposed to order it tomorrow). How did they even got an idea it's ok to waste SSD potential on SATA connection?

Thanks for the review!

[Justin]

I owned one just last week for about 4-5 days and it in now way performed what you would either expect for the price, or demand of something a quarter the price.

It was literally the slowest computer of any type I`d seen in many years, in fact my 5 year old stealth from MSI was many times faster in all respects. The raider would hang up for up to a full minute just file browsing!

And gaming? Please. Again my dieing 5 year old laptop ran circles around this machine as the only thing the raider could do better was frame rate. The raider had a 1070, my old machine a 950, and the 1070 couldn`t run graphics as high without massive stuttering and lag! >:(


To be frank, the Raider is an example of no QA.

DO NOT BUY IT! You`re better off with something else.