Everyone knows the only true secure kernel comes from Green Hills Software.  The INTEGRITY kernel is found on secure phones, tablets, workstations, and laptops used by defense department and TLA agencies in addition to secure devices on fighter jets and commercial planes. The DawnOS is next level.

Quote from: pete_f_1234 on January 21, 2024, 14:19:33So, I'm supposed to trust the "security" of an OS from a Chinese company?

Nah, avoid. OSes with confirmed NSA backdoors (amongst many others) are way more secure and trustworthy.

If a person has not personally audited the code, he cannot be 100% sure of its security. An audit of another person is based on trust in that person or organization.

When trust is lost between everyone, there is no more secure code and programs in the world.

All other cases are banal corruption between those who pretend to trust and nothing more.

It's easy to make a brand new more efficient kernel. Actually, if you make something new, not burdened by legacy compatibility, I would expect much better "efficiency" than a 3x multiple.

Quote from: NikoB on January 20, 2024, 12:28:28Not a single shell comes close to the usability of Windows and the convenience/ease of installing software and configuring it.

This has to be satire, right?

Installing software through your distro's official package manager (whether command line or using a graphical interface) is significantly easier, quicker, and more secure than googling for a piece of software and downloading and running an exe, with the chance of being tricked by sponsored results into downloading malware, or "encouraged" by the exe to install additional bloatware.

Gnome and KDE are fully functioning desktop environments that are easy to use and more customizable than Windows.

Quote from: NikoB on January 20, 2024, 12:28:28Even if this is true, what's surprising about that?

The Linux kernel is being developed by a bunch of enthusiasts literally on their own, it is not a commercial product.

Huawei developers are well paid. They are professionals.

Linux, even with all its poor architecture, suffers not from the quality of the kernel, but from the UI in general, because... Not a single shell comes close to the usability of Windows and the convenience/ease of installing software and configuring it. That is why, despite the status of a "free" product, Linux is still in oblivion on the market, for more than 25 years, with its pitiful 2-3% of the market.

There are no miracles - professionals obviously do everything better, because... they have a vested interest in this.

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Please don't speak on topics you don't understand.

The absolute best developers in the world develop the Kinyx kernel, those employed by mega-corps like IBM and baking 300k+ a year.

Huawei developers probably make 1/50th of that.

Quote from: pete_f_1234 on January 21, 2024, 14:19:33So, I'm supposed to trust the "security" of an OS from a Chinese company?

so i should trust USA that are worst scum ever existed on this planet?

Kernel's aren't important. Specifically, they are not business-differentiating. That means they don't make your product look better than your competitor's product. Users never see them, never interact with them. Kernel performance isn't important. It is a tiny percentage of the time used by the application. IPC cost isn't important. It was when processors ran at 60 MHz, but we are long past that and IPC performance is a tiny fraction of network performance, which nearly every application _is_ dependent upon. Filesystem performance isn't important. It was in the day of rotating disks, which had seek delays and rotational delays that solid-state storage doesn't have.

But you still need a kernel, and it has to be reliable, and security is one of its features but a secure kernel won't help you with a less-secure application.

So, what do you do? Use one of the Open Source kernels. Besides Linux there is BSD, and there are several others. Spend as little of your time and money on these as you can, then spend the rest of your time and money developing things that will differentiate your product from your competitors, because that's the only reason anyone will buy them. Not a kernel.

I've seen this same mistake many times now. Nokia did it with Symbian (remember them?) HP spent a Billion putting IPV6 and other modern features in HP/UX while IBM was going to Linux. Who do you think won?

Quote from: Bruce Perens on January 22, 2024, 00:33:46Who do you think won?

Windows and Microsoft. Because no other team has been able to offer something more valuable on the market in 35 years.

Lol these comparisons are hilarious; it's like saying that road legal cars (Windows) won against prototypes and Formula 1 cars (Linux) just because there is more of them, while completely ignoring that one side is focused on regular consumers and other of large business and corporations. Even Microsoft runs Linux on their servers, that alone says enough.

Quotewon against prototypes and Formula 1 cars (Linux)

An extremely funny comparison. All Linux distributions available to the masses are, in reality, Trabants from eastern Germany during the USSR.

What Linux distros are the Swiss Knifes?

Quote from: NikoB on January 22, 2024, 16:53:24

Quotewon against prototypes and Formula 1 cars (Linux)

An extremely funny comparison. All Linux distributions available to the masses are, in reality, Trabants from eastern Germany during the USSR.

So you are just a stupid troll, gotcha.