Quote from: Calan420 on July 28, 2025, 20:27:16

Quote from: SSchorik0101 on July 28, 2025, 19:46:56Bunch of porn-addicted coomers complaining.

No it's about companies forcing you to pay extreme amounts of interest to buy stuff and then they tell you what you can or can't buy. It shouldn't be you can only purchase stuff that your credit card company likes and if they dislike something you're not allowed to purchase it. You work hard to get your credit up to get credit cards so you could build your credit even further to get cars and houses. I didn't build my credit so I can be told that I'm not allowed to purchase something. If they are allowed to get away with it with this stuff they'll just keep doing it more and more. Until you ain't allowed to buy half the stuff because someone on the board of directors don't like it. By the way there isn't a single thing that I haven't been able to purchase so this don't affect me at all I just think the idea of it is dumb af

You make a fair point and after thinking it over I agree. My comment was unfair and judgemental.

Quote from: SSchorik0101 on July 28, 2025, 19:46:56Bunch of porn-addicted coomers complaining.

Really? Because it's not Steam, but Itch.io banning games like Mouthwashing - a genuinely fantastic horror game with dark themes - shows the logical conclusion of payment processors getting to decide what can and can't be played. Who says it won't be games with LGBTQ themes next? Maybe a game where there's a child protagonist who gets hurt? What's the logical conclusion of payment processors and puritanical groups getting to ban legal content?

Mastercard and Visa have no right whatsoever to tell me what I can and cannot buy. They are a financial institution. Their morals and opinions are worthless and have no right to dictate who and what I do with my money. They only need to sit down, shut-up and process my transaction. That is all. That is their entire purpose. If we allow this to continue it might start with porn, but it will not end with porn. They already tried doing this with guns. What would be next? Violence in games? Censoring art? Censoring music? Do we really want a bank telling us what choices we can make?
Visa and Mastercard need to know, that they do not have the power of moral judgement over private citizens. Period.

Quote from: Ableon on Yesterday at 07:33:24They don't give a crap about what a bunch of gooners think. This slop should have never been let on the platform to begin with.

How do you define "slip" though? I remember the religious right (the same kind of people who are behind the Steam hijinks) freaked out over interspecies romances in Mass Effect.

How long before games that allow a human to love an elf or Klingon are banned under this same scheme? How long until you can't have an LGBT character at all? Where does it stop? Do developers have to start worrying that the current administration will pressure processors to kill others types of games? What about other media? With this BS, you could have AMC being cut off from credit cards because they did a limited showing off Broke Back Mountain.

You don't have to be a "gooner" to see the problem. At best, there's a chilling effect on all media. At worst, the CC companies are creating a mechanism for the government to enforce censorship without running afoul of the Constitution. If the current regime doesn't like your content, all they've got to do is threaten an "investigation" into Visa or MasterCard or AmEx. Presto, the payment processors tell the vendor to block sales for that content or be cut off altogether. Yes, it's extortion. And yes, it's completely legal under the current laws.

  So, much like the debate around abortion, a handful of people have decided to legislate/implement rules onto the rest of us based solely on their own ridiculous Victorian sense of morality!
 The argument for both positions is the same:    If you don't want one, then don't get one...   but don't you dare think you also get to decide if I get one!!!!

Someone should make that EU citizen petition, like Stop Killing Games and gather signatures, so EU goes after payment processors like Japan. Payment processors are like fully unregulated police, also known as mafia, since they control flow of the money and can shut down anything, censor anything, without any debate, with no judge or justice, just based on whim. And they all do exact same thing, they are like cartel, not competing with each other. Any sort of police needs regulation and any sort of punishment like that needs to be appealable and properly judged based on laws. Not this corporate wild west justice.

Bunch of Aussie making decisions for the world, so many people are caught in the cross fire, all in the name of *Protecting* the *Women and Children*, what lies. It's all about Control. Real living people are suffering but they went and targeted people who sleeps all day, draws all day, being antisocial and what not over FICTIONAL characters. I'm praying for a miracle to smite Visa/MasterCard for this.

Why should everyone even bother with this? Its our moneybwe use it as we want. If Australia really wants these removed, just have steam removed and itch.io rdmoved from that region so no one else is affected. Simple and effective to avoid this bs going about.

And yet I don't see Mastercard and VISA on their high horses targeting OnlyFans...

Allowing this will just open the door for Mastercard and VISA to push the boundaries on what they deem "appropriate". No gore and horror today, no games with political undertones tomorrow.

There's a reason why there are 18+ content control settings on Steam.

EU, make it illegal for payment services to regulate what we can buy and not buy.

It's basic slippery-slope. Today they ban excessive gore, tomorrow they ban any gore.

Visa and Master Card are major companies that almost everyone globally, around the whole planet use. If they're allowed to chose what we can and can't consume or in some cases: what we're allowed to earn money from. That'll just lead to corruption and abuse. The world is already corrupt, it doesn't have to go further.

There are of course illegal things that people can do, and that's a different thing. If Steam was hosting actual illegal content (as in, allowing people from a region where it is illegal to purchase it with Mastercard and Visa), then they can refuse it. But as long as the product or service is legal for said person in their region, then they shouldn't be allowed to refuse.

This should be similar to net neutrality. An internet service provider (ISP) isn't allowed to dictate what you can and can't do on the internet. Neither should a payment service provider.

For the people saying it's just coomer games vile exhumed a horror walking sim was just delisted and banned by valve because of implied violence and it's being traced back to this group

Quote from: Not important on Yesterday at 01:20:15Credit cards are not "peoples" money. They are the financial institutions loan to you - by them. You want that stuff, go get a steam card and top up that way. Ez.

incorrect. My bank card has a visa on it. It's a debit card that removes money directly from my bank account. But if visa has their way I can no longer purchase things they deem inappropriate by using the visa function. That's not a loan, it's my money. It's not their place to say what I spend it on so long as it's not illegal. This moral rant brought to you by American Express.

Why are payment processing companies such as Visa and Mastercard monitoring purchases made by consumers? That is supposed to be confidential information and should not be viewed by anyone at these companies unless there is a crime being committed, and even then they have no right to be deciding who can purchase any item digital or not PERIOD. This is a privacy right of the consumer and should never be in the eyes of visa or Mastercard. This is a violation of people's rights and should be taken to court not petitioned. Are credit card companies above the law? No! This is ridiculous. To much power for companies that are supposed to be just processing purchases.

They don't give a crap about what a bunch of gooners think. This slop should have never been let on the platform to begin with.

Quote from: SSchorik0101 on July 28, 2025, 19:46:56Bunch of porn-addicted coomers complaining.

The issue is that credit companies can be forced to not allow certain games, for example some dark souls bosses are considered 18+ with how there designs are of they made it so you can't buy them cause there deemed to inappropriate mind you they can't just make it where the boss is differently designed it ruins the lore and story if they have to change it plus what if games like let's say a horror game that someone spent hours to just make the levels alone then had to remove half the horror cause the blood its the ideal fo companies being able to control what people do despite it also being the consumers money. So it isn't just cause the porn it's cause if they can do that easily and deny sales of a horror or game that isn't porn related cause it's to inappropriate so please don't try to argue cause seems only game you play is "my little pony:kingdom quest" so shush.