Quote from: RobertJasiek on March 07, 2024, 07:25:15If by proof you mean "screenvideos taken on day X witnessed by several people to prove that I have not manufactured them", then I do not have such a proof. If by proof you mean "prices found on Dell's stores written down on day X", I have given the proof including the relevant calculations for currency calculations, VAT and excess rip-offs.

either show me real store links with proof of your 'dell rips off non-US consumers' or stop wasting my time and gtfo. i'm not interested in your graphomania.

If by proof you mean "screenvideos taken on day X witnessed by several people to prove that I have not manufactured them", then I do not have such a proof. If by proof you mean "prices found on Dell's stores written down on day X", I have given the proof including the relevant calculations for currency calculations, VAT and excess rip-offs.

Quote from: RobertJasiek on March 06, 2024, 20:47:33I am not your browser.

ok so after a day of wasting my time on your excuses you admit you have no proof for your 'dell conspiracy' theory.
why am i not surprised.

I am not your browser.

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To discuss your suspicion of cherry-picking, Alienware m18 R1 was one of the close candidates for me last year, so I also studied its prices closely during the months after launch, as every reasonable buyer would do. Now, it is too late because a) I have bought something else and b) the next generation notebooks has come out. If now last year's model should be reasonably priced, it is too late. Simple. Instead, if you want to study current pricing, looking at the new models should be more interesting. But now I enjoy using my new computer instead of continuing my occupation of the three preceding years when I frequently studied prices to survive the Corona and mining crisis. One of the  things that remains is my well educated memory on which are the rip-off companies. Dell has earned its reputation as one of them. And no, it was not quick to extract the prices. Took me hours to dig them and calculate differences from the only appearing total sums. Of course, Dell does all this hiding on purpose: most would not invest the effort so Dell - like the even much greedier Apple - hopes that quite a few overpay the upselling.

btw, i really hope all this wait pays out and it will not be just you cherry-picking data AGAIN and comparing some single config US deal price to eu full price with vat to prove so called 'dell's rip off'.

Quote from: RobertJasiek on March 06, 2024, 16:35:37Hurdle two: even with direct links to such store webpages, you need to invest time to click through every configuration option because Dell hides most prices behind buttons.

i doubt clicking through configs will waste as much of my time as you did in this 'conversation' by not showing me store links that prove your point.
no worries, i will click through configs, so where are your dell store links

Hurdle one: different date.

Hurdle two: even with direct links to such store webpages, you need to invest time to click through every configuration option because Dell hides most prices behind buttons.

Quote from: RobertJasiek on March 06, 2024, 12:30:15what I have described relies on prices on Dell's own webpages

yeah come on now, show links to those prices already. i want to see the 'rip off' with my own eyes, what's the problem?
you've already wasted four messages of my time so far.

Again, what I have described relies on prices on Dell's own webpages. Needless to say, they change from time to time, although HP, Asus and some others change theirs even up to several times per day.

Quote from: RobertJasiek on March 06, 2024, 11:12:22Since you are not capable of finding anything relevant

do you have written text comprehension issues?
show me a real shop offers that are up now, do not 'prove' your point with your own messages.

Since you are not capable of finding anything relevant, here is some example of my earlier references,

www.notebookchat.com/index.php?msg=529212
www.notebookchat.com/index.php?msg=529214

where I describe same-day prices on Dell US (for comparison adjusted by that day's currency conversion and German VAT) versus Dell Germany to prove that Dell Germany rips off (German: Abzocke) by up to ca. €600 for same-specified notebooks.

Quote from: RobertJasiek on March 05, 2024, 20:39:12Read my earlier ones.

there is no links to actual store prices

Read my earlier ones.

Quote from: RobertJasiek on March 05, 2024, 19:43:29I have verified it several times for Germany

show some real life actual store links, not opinions of someone on the internet

I have verified it several times for Germany. Endconsumers in the UK or Canada have reported the same.

The current example of 16GB additional RAM (then 32GB) for €150 is the latest sample evidence of rip-off when it is <€50 on the free market. See NBC's German report:

www.notebookcheck.com/Dell-Alienware-m16-R2-ist-ab-sofort-fuer-1-899-Euro-erhaeltlich-mit-240-Hz-QHD-Display-und-Core-Ultra.810161.0.html

Quote from there: "Das Upgrade [...], für die GeForce RTX 4070 Laptop-GPU [statt der RTX 4060] werden 300 Euro extra fällig, 32 GB Arbeitsspeicher und eine 2 TB SSD gibts für jeweils 150 Euro."