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Started by Redaktion, May 11, 2024, 13:22:54

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NikoB

Quote from: anan on May 13, 2024, 09:40:27Long term - EVs are better than ICE vehicles.
Absolutely not, if we take into account all the factors that harm the planet's ecology, from the creation of batteries and electric vehicles, to their disposal and generation of energy for them, and the harm from the development of these means of generating electricity. Green energy is essentially unprofitable without subsidies, as is the growing failure of sales, because fanatics with money ended and ordinary people began, able and forced to count money. And then it turned out that the internal combustion engine absolutely wins.

The transport tax on electric vehicles should be at least 2-3 times higher due to the obvious much greater damage to road surfaces from cars with a much larger operating weight. No amount of wider tires will solve this problem. Therefore, it is inevitable - owners of electric vehicles everywhere will pay higher transport taxes and this is correct.

They are also required to pay for environmental damage in countries where lithium and all other ingredients are mined and processed.

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Quote from: NikoB on May 13, 2024, 10:44:09
Quote from: anan on May 13, 2024, 09:40:27Long term - EVs are better than ICE vehicles.
Absolutely not, if we take into account all the factors that harm the planet's ecology, from the creation of batteries and electric vehicles, to their disposal and generation of energy for them, and the harm from the development of these means of generating electricity. Green energy is essentially unprofitable without subsidies, as is the growing failure of sales, because fanatics with money ended and ordinary people began, able and forced to count money. And then it turned out that the internal combustion engine absolutely wins.

The transport tax on electric vehicles should be at least 2-3 times higher due to the obvious much greater damage to road surfaces from cars with a much larger operating weight. No amount of wider tires will solve this problem. Therefore, it is inevitable - owners of electric vehicles everywhere will pay higher transport taxes and this is correct.

They are also required to pay for environmental damage in countries where lithium and all other ingredients are mined and processed.


If you factor in all environmental damage, cradle to grave, ICE cars do far more damage.

Fossil fuels are essentially unprofitable without government subsidies or protections.

PS A gallon of oil does more environmental damage than a gallon of lithium

NikoB

You will have to prove this by direct comparison of damage at all stages, including disposal. Otherwise, it's just another "opinion" of yours.

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Quote from: NikoB on May 16, 2024, 17:45:58You will have to prove this by direct comparison of damage at all stages, including disposal. Otherwise, it's just another "opinion" of yours.

I know, only you are not tied down by burden of proof

I am also not sure why you are fixated on the disposal of a EV battery since it posses little environmental risk. That said, that EV battery will likely see a decade of use after as energy storage, and then recycled. Recycling the battery is far less environmental harm than making new so it is actually a net reduction to environmental harm

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