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Legion 9i Gen 8 16IRX8 review: Lenovo's most ambitious gaming laptop yet

Started by Redaktion, October 15, 2023, 20:35:58

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NikoB

Quote from: A on November 10, 2023, 17:57:31Brightness is more important, because both OLED and MiniLED both have 0 black point
You are technically illiterate. MiniLED does not have zero black brightness in the working area, only in the off areas. AMOLED has pixel control, miniLED has zone control - it's still the same IPS with poor native contrast on physical level.

Brightness is critical for the current implementation of Static HDR (HDR10) it must be at least 1000 nits, and the black level is no more than 0.0005 nits according to the standard.

Only AMOLED (with a real native contrast of 1M:1 - because as reviews have shown there are a bunch of lousy panels in laptops that don't meet these specifications, so they don't have the HDR10 nameplate) supports fully HDR10 (Static HDR version).

IPS and other options like VA with low native contrast can generally work with Dynamic HDR (HDR10+) or Dolby Vision (DV) which also uses dynamic metadata (but is created slightly differently). But most of the world's video content and games do not support HDR10+ and DV.

Therefore, today there is only one option if you need full HDR10 on a laptop - an AMOLED screen with a brightness of 1000 nits, no less, and a native real contrast of 1M: 1, no less. Everything else is profanation for illiterate ordinary people.

HDR400 is a pure fake and has nothing to do with the HDR10 standard in fact. HDR600 only has a requirement for an extended color gamut of at least 90% DCI-P3 and is essentially a fake standard; such a screen is not capable of displaying HDR10 content.

The majority of people are technically illiterate, which is taken advantage of by cunning marketers from manufacturers.

The only (in theory) competitor to AMOLED is microLED, which has not been able to escape the walls of laboratories for more than 10 years. Nobody needs another AMOLED option with terrible low-frequency PWM, fast burn-in and a glossy screen. Everyone wants high-frequency PWM, long resource, matte screen, excellent viewing angles, high real ppi, including in color and excellent color accuracy (dE<1) and native contrast from 1M:1. But this is not yet possible; scientists have not been able to make a screen ideal for human vision.

A

Quote from: NikoB on November 11, 2023, 10:46:03You are technically illiterate.
You don't even understand what contrast is, man. Contrast = white point aka brightness / black point. If your contrast is measurable aka "1M:1", then display is not true black. Even average MiniLEDs can have 500K:1 to infinite contrast, like, e.g. latest MBP M3 Max with zero black point and infinite contrast (see review). Apple never bothered itself with DisplayHDR certifications though, but it's a "HDR1000 True Black" material, also unreachable for OLEDs.

HDR10 is a signal format, it's a requirement for every DisplayHDR* specification. It doesn't limit black point in any way, DisplayHDR certifications do. Speaking of DisplayHDR btw, I think right now only MiniLEDs have HDR1000 and HDR1400 certification.

So yeah, if you want to game or watch your shows in bed at night, OLED will be cool, because even the cheapest have very low black point. If you want HDR productivity - there's a reason many companies, including Apple, use MiniLED. Probably they are a bit more "technically literate", than some random nobody NikoB, no? No answer needed, rhetoric question.

A

P.S. MicroLED is next level compared to *OLED, not a competitor. And it's not in the labs, you can grab one from Samsung for $80K to $220K. It's just mad expensive right now, but same was OLED at some point.

RobertJasiek

Uh, it is not "companies" versus NikoB but companies often decide on display types for PR reasons etc. Such as "MiniLED is easily marketed to content creators, so let's use it in this notebook whose PR shall follow the narrative 'for content creators'!".

RobertJasiek

Quote from: A on November 11, 2023, 14:51:00MicroLED is next level compared to *OLED

Just like OLED was "next level" compared to IPS / IGZO / VA - another PR tale.

CC

Quote from: RobertJasiek on November 11, 2023, 14:53:48Uh, it is not "companies" versus NikoB but companies often decide on display types for PR reasons etc. Such as "MiniLED is easily marketed to content creators, so let's use it in this notebook whose PR shall follow the narrative 'for content creators'!".
It's just what real content creators prefer. Companies do their homework. They rarely care about opinion of forum dwellers who think they know because they've watched couple influencer videos and read some reddit posts.

RobertJasiek

Different content creators prefer different kinds of displays. E.g., I prefer IPS and - unlike some Youtube reviewers, such as TechNotice, define by far too restrictively - I am a content creator as publisher and author.

A

Quote from: RobertJasiek on November 11, 2023, 17:12:53Different content creators prefer different kinds of displays. E.g., I prefer IPS and - unlike some Youtube reviewers, such as TechNotice, define by far too restrictively - I am a content creator as publisher and author.
I run all three types. For photovideo editing I prefer MiniLED hands down, for movies or games OLED, and IPS is actually on its way out for me, I don't see myself buying IPS displays anymore when the two I already have break or get old. They are fine though, until you put them side to side with the other two.

NikoB

Quote from: A on November 11, 2023, 14:25:59Probably they are a bit more "technically literate", than some random nobody NikoB, no? No answer needed, rhetoric question.
I will not comment on the nonsense that you wrote above, even if you are the owner of a miniLED+OLED, you still remain a technically illiterate person.

As for the corporations that know something better than me - they make money, they don't care about visual safety and the absence of problems. So yes, NikoB, like some of the normal Apple/Samsung engineers and researchers (I provided a link here to the opinion of one, you're just too young to remember this) understand this better than you and marketers+top managers (unless, of course, we put aside naivety in this matter and don't assume much worse - but I've definitely made sure that they have "watchers" everywhere who delete critical comments where the text is read by too many potential buyers, I've been convinced of this dozens of times), the owner of both. Amazing, right? But this is a fact.

A

Quote from: NikoB on November 11, 2023, 20:19:17I will not comment on the nonsense that you wrote above, even if you are the owner of a miniLED+OLED, you still remain a technically illiterate person.
Of course you will not comment, you finally looked up DisplayHDR sertifications criteria, M3Max MBP MiniLED display specs, figured out what HDR10 and you have nothing to say.

And yes, corporations know better what is best to which audience, than some random boi from Internet. Good luck.

NikoB

Quote from: A on November 12, 2023, 13:08:08course you will not comment, you finally looked up DisplayHDR sertifications criteria, M3Max MBP MiniLED display specs, figured out what HDR10 and you have nothing to say.
Stupid troll, why are you trying to justify yourself when you have already proven yourself to be completely technically illiterate?

Quote from: A on November 12, 2023, 13:08:08And yes, corporations know better what is best to which audience, than some random boi from Internet. Good luck.
Once again, troll, corporations don't do anything unless it makes a profit and even if it hinders progress, they will deliberately make technically worse decisions. because this benefits them, and the crowd is always infinitely stupid and illiterate. As is constantly proven in practice - you are one of this technically illiterate crowd.

So yes, NikoB and some other experts know better than all the corporate engineers who obey the teams of cunning marketers and beneficiaries of the companies that listen to them. But for someone to listen to me and other experts, 90% of consumers must at least reach my and the experts' level of education and experience, which will never happen. Exactly the same as in politics - "most people make mistakes, because they are idiots" (c).

A

Quote from: NikoB on November 12, 2023, 14:34:26Stupid troll
Yeah, it's not news when you run out of arguments you always revert to abusive behaviour. This clear sign of you being crushed in conversation makes you look even worse.

Quote from: NikoB on November 12, 2023, 14:34:26yes, NikoB and some other experts know better than all the corporate engineers
Hahahaha yeah right, keep us posted.

Classic_Sam

Mine came preconfigured as raid 0 and had an issue disabling VMD. For some reason, this praticular setting does not get saved. I am not sure if it was a bad bios, or some fault.

Sadly I had to return it.

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