MSI Titan GT77 HX 13V Review - Ultimate Gaming Laptop with RTX 4090 & Core i9-13950HX

[song1118]

DELL Alienware M18 can achieve 13900HX+RTX 4090lp+4 x M.2 SSD, however, it is 2xM.2 2280 + 2xM.2 2230.
Someone has DIYed it, and it can be installed with 4xM.2 2280 SSDs
https://www.zhihu.com/question/584372327

However, the modified two slots cannot be installed with double-sided flash memory SSDs due to insufficient height, so 4TB and 8TB M.2 2280 SSDs still cannot be installed.

[Viz]

Screen response times seem atrotious for a gaming laptop.  Are these measured without Overdrive, or are they just that bad?

[FARHAN]

I would like to see a comparison between gt77 2022 3080ti vs gt77 2023 4090. Wanted to see the gaming benchmarks at various resolutions in 1080p 2k and 4k ? if possible, the benchmark of content creation too, blender,vray.

[bennyg1]

Epic price and some epic fails i can see:
30ms transitions, that's about the same as my P870's 60Hz B173ZAN01.0 from 2016 and it has at times atrociously obvious ghosting. Ghosting can't be fixed with fps or brightness or contrast... for reference, 120Hz is a frame every 8.33ms. DO NOT buy this laptop before you see a blurbusters demo of this screen so you know what you're getting!

225W cooling is not really that impressive. Still only allows 50W on the CPU if the GPU is sucking 175W. If the BIOS can't be unlocked to up this limit, spend 3k euro less on a laptop that has a similar level of throttling.

And 4800Mhz RAM, seriously, all that heatpipe spaghetti and 4 fans and they leave 5-10% CPU performance on the table with this budget RAM?

[Martin Wieden]

Hi, I'm getting a lot of burning eyes when using my new MSI GT77 2023. Is it normal at the beginning of use? Previously I used an MSI laptop with a 60Hz refresh rate and there was no problem. Does it get better with longer use? Thank you!

[RobertJasiek]

The notebook uses Pulse-Width Modulation at 2380Hz. The impact of PWM is individually different. Since you experience immediate health problems, longer use can make matters only worse. Return the notebook immediately unless the cause of your health problem is elsewhere and only incidentally coinciding with your notebook use.

[Windsun]

Hi all,

I owned this laptop for a few days before I decided to return it.
In short, DO NOT buy this laptop trust me.
And you can guess why. Ok let's take all cons (not)mentioned .

- very loud fans
I don't care much because MSI Center allow tweak fan curves. So in idle fans can be turned off or keep fans with low RPM (barely audible). And in future I would open it and mod it adding more heat pipes, coolers and re-paste with LM.

- poor HDR implementation
I tried to enable it and it was horrible so very true. But I can live with SDR.

- poor 720p webcam
I'm not a streamer. And I don't know even remember when I used webcam on my current laptop. I would disable webcam anyway by disable driver and turn off by switch.

- SSD throttling
RAID 0 for gaming laptop is just nonsense and in future I would buy PCIe 5.0 SSD. I would add some termal pads.

- Expensive
True, but for a laptop that will serve me for several years (at least 5 years), I did not take this as a deciding factor. My price limit was quite high but I'm expecting also good quality and performance.

- Missing G-Sync and Advanced Optimus
It's a shame that such high end laptop do not have those while much cheaper competition have it. But for me it was not that important these days I more casual gamer and more content creator.

- PWM at all brightness levels
I though that 2380 Hz PWM is high enough so you probably won't notice any flickering. Problem here is little bit different see bellow.

- Whine sound coming from the monitor
At first I thought I had tinnitus (ringing in the ears), but no, it's from this laptop. After a few hours of use it became very uncomfortable, I had a headache. So I taken this laptop to the most silent room to measure audible spectral noise (via free Spectroid app). And I measured exactly same frequency 2380 Hz + ~4.8 kHz (higher harmonic). To me it looks like MSI forgot to measure EMC (electromagnetic compatibility) to meet regulations.

Conclusion:
I think MSI should be ashamed for selling device harmful to health. I don't understand why such expensive laptop using cheap PWM ICs. Recommendation is DO NOT buy it! And if you bought return it immediately while you have time. I'm afraid that RMA won't be accepted by MSI. Because monitor's power ICs design is bad. MSI should learn from this and not sell expensive sh*t.

[RobertJasiek]

- very loud fans [...] I would open it and mod it adding more heat pipes, coolers and re-paste with LM.

Hehe. It speaks volumes that an enthusiast considers doing such to a supposed high end notebook, which should already have proper cooling.

Just curious, would you consider a notebook with similar hardware and better cooling from a different manufacturer or is the Titan hardware the minimum you need so that you hardly find any alternative candidates?

[Windsun]

Hehe. It speaks volumes that an enthusiast considers doing such to a supposed high end notebook, which should already have proper cooling.

I agree with that. But for me it is small investment. Quite strange was that this laptop has 4 fans but SW allowed me control only 2 big ones.
BTW this tweaking I had to do for my current laptop (MSI GT62VR 7RE Dominator Pro) too.

Just curious, would you consider a notebook with similar hardware and better cooling from a different manufacturer or is the Titan hardware the minimum you need so that you hardly find any alternative candidates?

Yes I considered competition.
My Current GT62VR 7RE has:
CPU: i7-7820HK 4C/8T OC
GPU: GTX 1070 8GB - unlocked up to 215.0 W
RAM: 64GB
BIOS unlocked advanced menu

My minimum was at least double everyting.
CPU: 16C/32T so 13980HX or 7945HX
RAM: 128GB (true it has 64GB but at least upgradable)
GPU: RTX4090 16GB
And yea this Titan GT77 has also unlocked BIOS (via 4 key combo)

I considered
XMG NEO 17
better cooling (water) but a little bit worse CPU 13900HX
Only max 64GB RAM
BIOS will be probably locked.

I haven't find any other laptop that offer max 128GB RAM with TOP HW + unlocked BIOS and will not be harmful to health. :)

I think I will have to wait one more year for next gen CPU/GPU and hope that MSI and monitor manufacturers (AUO) will get better.

[RobertJasiek]

128GB RAM with TOP HW + unlocked BIOS and will not be harmful to health. :)

I think I will have to wait one more year for next gen CPU/GPU and hope that MSI and monitor manufacturers (AUO) will get better.

Either this or you might be lucky that some new workstation is released with 128GB RAM option and PWM-free display.

Last year's Titan had both but maybe the other hardware was not sufficient for you?

[Windsun]

Either this or you might be lucky that some new workstation is released with 128GB RAM option and PWM-free display.

Last year's Titan had both but maybe the other hardware was not sufficient for you?

Mobile workstations offer up to 128GB RAM but do not offer same CPU or GPU performance. And I don't need proffesional GPU. Those workstations still using 11 or 12 gen CPU and Ampere gen GPU.

Last year's Titan's monitor in current Titan would be only option but that's not offered by MSI. So I have to be patient.

[NikoB]

Zen 4 Phoenix officially support 256Gb(384Gb with 192Gbx2) of RAM for 2 slots.

[NikoB]

Efficient and powerful neural networks require tens of terabytes of memory. Better petabytes. This is the only thing that really holds them back, not the speed of the processors.

Because it is unrealistic to save the state of memory of such a volume in a short time for any existing long-term storage technology, there is only one way out - non-volatile RAM, but all existing similar technologies have significant limitations - the speed and number of rewrite cycles, as well as monstrous latency due to larger minimum access blocks.

Soon, the entire architecture of modern computer systems will have to be replaced, because. Von Neumann architecture is dead in fact.

Now is about the same era as the end of the 90s - then the shift from tens of megabytes to gigabytes also quickly went on, and then everything stabilized for a long time.

[farrah]

Why there is no individual CPU and GPU power consumption chart.

[Chris Smith]

I wonder if laptop manufactures have ever tried to implement a noise canceling system using the built in speakers to cut down of fan noise.