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Started by Redaktion, January 30, 2023, 19:00:41

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NikoB

At the reporting conference following the results of 2022, AMD CEO Lisa Su said that the company has been specifically undersupplying chips for quite a long time to maintain a balance of supply and demand. In other words, AMD has held back CPU and GPU shipments to keep prices high...

JKM

The problem is not the CPU price. It is the mountain of CPU numbers. Not only the CPU but all notebook components were bought 2-4 quarters ago at high prices. That's why notebook prices have been since 2 quarters falling so slightly. Not only AMD but also Intel have to sell significantly fewer CPUs than the notebook manufacturers sell to notebooks for another 2 quarters so that the CPU stocks go back to normal levels.

NikoB

pcworld.com/article/1499957/amd-is-undershipping-chips-to-keep-cpu-gpu-prices-elevated.html

Immoral dirty collusion in its purest form, in the absence of real competition in the sector, collusion with AMD, which is just Intel's pad from the actions of the anti-monopolists, although now Intel does not care about the anti-monopolists in times of escalation, imperialism and isolation ...

But the main fault is on the banking mafia and most of the stupid population that supports the actions of this mafia through the choice of populists and scoundrels who do not pass laws to eliminate the possibility of issuing and living within their means, in real pure capitalism, where everyone is responsible for their actions to the fullest, and the weak die unable to withstand the competition.

JKM

It is not immoral dirty collusion in its purest form because AMD is not helping Intel but its motherboard and notebook OEM partners who also bought their CPU, SSD, DDR components dearly during the Corona pandemic.

For the last 5 years, AMD has primarily been competing fairly via high performance. Secondly, an equally good or better price-performance competition compared to the very expensive Nvidia GPUs and Intel CPUs. AMD ended the price war 10 years ago because the population preferred to buy the expensive and faster Intel CPUs and Nvidia graphics cards. AMD only offers what the customer wants.

A functioning and fair competition does not mean competing with the lowest prices. ARM companies (Apple, Qualcomm, Nvidia, MediaTEK,...) also have the option of equipping low-cost notebooks.

eMP

Und schon wieder keine Verbesserung bei der integrierten GPU, 4 Jahre lang IntelXe ohne nennenswertes Upgrade.

NikoB

Quote from: JKM on February 02, 2023, 16:53:20A functioning and fair competition does not mean competing with the lowest prices. ARM companies (Apple, Qualcomm, Nvidia, MediaTEK,...) also have the option of equipping low-cost notebooks.
It's demagogy - they don't have a license to produce x86 processors that rule the world's code base. Intel should have been stripped of the rights to these patents long ago.


NikoB

With a global market share of more than 50%, TNCs should automatically lose key patents in all countries without exception, against the will of their beneficiaries.

Let me remind you that private property is not absolute even in the USA. Any of its owners can be deprived of it by the court.

JKM

It's demagogy - they don't have a license to produce x86 processors that rule the world's code base. Intel should have been stripped of the rights to these patents long ago.

I think that ARM companies don't need an x86 license because they sell 2 billion smartphones 10 times more than PCs with 250 million. Apple has a very good CPU core on AMD and Intel level, but only sells them with mac OS . Nvidia and Qualcomm do not (yet) have an ARM CPU core on Intel or AMD level.

But ARM has the efficiency and thus ARM cores can become dangerous for the x86 first in the server market. Especially Nvidia, which is the market leader with GPGPU GPUs in the data center and will soon bring its ARM Grace core to the server market.

AMD doesn't develop any ARM cores either, because they also say that according to AMD, the difference between x86 and ARM is only small at around 5%.

NikoB

The fact of poor scaling of Arm has long been known to specialists, otherwise it won a long time ago. But it is precisely the lack of the right to make x86 compatible processors that deprives the x86 industry of real competition, and the sweet couple Intel / AMD has reigned supreme there for the past 20 years, destroying all competitors. When efficiency, and then as ordinary patent trolls, which should have been deprived of key patents long ago.

As a civic activist and human rights activist, I have long advocated changing patent law so that it favors small start-ups, but limits the tenure of patents to 5-10 years for large TNCs, and especially those who control more than 50% of the global market in which -something sector. Unfortunately, the authorities are highly corrupt on the part of business in all countries, politicians are almost everywhere populist (and besides, temporary figures who can be blamed for the responsibility of the newly elected administration, which happens regularly, and this looks like mutual responsibility), and the Western authorities ( especially in the USA) use such TNCs as a geopolitical weapon, albeit through the fault of the stupid population and the greedy / corrupt elites of developing countries. But all the same, this contradicts their declarations and clearly speaks of the duplicity of politics and business.

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