ThinkPad X1 Extreme Gen 4: Lenovo's new multimedia flagship attacks Dell XPS 15 & 17

[Redaktion]

Lenovo has constructed its ThinkPad X1 Extreme new. The Lenovo ThinkPad X1 Extreme Gen 4 is supposed to take on the Dell XPS series. It changes to the 16:10 aspect ratio, but with a different screen size compared to the Dell competitors. Lenovo also upgrades the GPUs to up to the Nvidia GeForce RTX 3080 Max-Q.

https://www.notebookcheck.net/ThinkPad-X1-Extreme-Gen-4-Lenovo-s-new-multimedia-flagship-attacks-Dell-XPS-15-17.547124.0.html

[Hanzzz]

Why attached images are so small and blurry?

[Yngmar]

Finally, a laptop that ticks all my boxes. Hope it turns out well!

Now I just gotta figure out how to buy one in Lithuania!

[kek]

Ok, Lenovo really nailed this one!

Good cooling solution, great screen, good battery, legacy ports.

Now we only need to wait for Black Friday

[xpclient]

Here is the readable image of the specs:

https://www.notebookcheck.net/fileadmin/_processed_/c/3/csm_X1Extreme_spec2_3ec35e1ba7.png

[Anonym]

Give me a replaceable wifi card slot and it's an instant buy!

[jonney]

Two dealbrakers.

Its clear that the 2nd SSD m.2 slot is not apparent in all configurations of this product.

And the last thing is that it doesnt sport a AMD processor which is far more superior than the intel one that runs slower and hotter

[Anonym]

Two dealbrakers.

Its clear that the 2nd SSD m.2 slot is not apparent in all configurations of this product.

And the last thing is that it doesnt sport a AMD processor which is far more superior than the intel one that runs slower and hotter

The 2nd m.2 slot is very apparent under the left fan, it simply has a bonus heatsink for your super-fast (and super-toasty) PCIe 4 drive that you need to unscrew.

Furthermore, while I do agree it would be amazing to have an AMD CPU and more choice is always better, you really need to update yourself with the latest data about the very latest Intel CPUs fitted here. At this power level, they perform on-par (if not better) than the latest AMD offerings, but still have TB4/USB4 and PCIe 4 -- *the* glaring omissions even on the latest AMD Mobile platforms.

[Solandri]

And the last thing is that it doesnt sport a AMD processor which is far more superior than the intel one that runs slower and hotter

It's supposed to use a Tiger Lake i9. Those are made on Intel's 10nm process, which is competitive with the TSMC 7nm that AMD is currently manufactured on (101 million transistors/mm^2 vs 114 MT/mm^2). So I wouldn't expect much difference in heat or power. AMD has been murdering Intel because they've been on TSMC 7nm while Intel has been stuck on their 14nm process. That's 114 MT/mm^2 vs 37.5 MT/mm^2, which was a 3-to-1 advantage in density, with corresponding heat and power advantage. But that advantage mostly disappears with Tiger Lake. (At least until AMD starts manufacturing on TSMC 5nm or 3nm.)

Intel still has a lead in single-threaded performance. I just swapped out an i7 Coffee Lake 6-core for an AMD Zen 2 8-core on my security camera computer expecting performance to increase. But it actually decreased - went from about a constant 60% CPU load to 70%. The i9s are 8 core 16 thread (the first on Intel's 10nm). So I expect them to be competitive with AMD's Zen 3 offerings (currently max out at 8 core 16 thread in their mobile line).

[Indycat]

Two questions:

1. How long will the battery last?

2. How far would I need to go to get 1.8 mm key travel, and what would I lose?

[Lenoo]

No, not all configs will have 2nd ssd. You can find more pics from other sources where in the 2nd ssd spot it appears there is extension of vapour chamber.

Two dealbrakers.

Its clear that the 2nd SSD m.2 slot is not apparent in all configurations of this product.

And the last thing is that it doesnt sport a AMD processor which is far more superior than the intel one that runs slower and hotter

The 2nd m.2 slot is very apparent under the left fan, it simply has a bonus heatsink for your super-fast (and super-toasty) PCIe 4 drive that you need to unscrew.

Furthermore, while I do agree it would be amazing to have an AMD CPU and more choice is always better, you really need to update yourself with the latest data about the very latest Intel CPUs fitted here. At this power level, they perform on-par (if not better) than the latest AMD offerings, but still have TB4/USB4 and PCIe 4 -- *the* glaring omissions even on the latest AMD Mobile platforms.

[China Lied People Died]

Would love to see a ThinkPad X1 Extreme with the following specs:

CPU: AMD Ryzen 9 5950HS + liquid metal
RAM: 2 slots + XMP
Storage: 2x M.2 2280
GPU: RTX 3080, 16GB
Screen: 16" matte slimmer bezel like Dell XPS 15/17

[Joro_]

While TSMC marks significant improvements in the litography process by decreasing the number, Intel adds pluses to the real number. Which means TSMC 7nm is not at all related to nano meters, but just a name. Furthermore your quoted densities seem wrong. I can't point out by how much, because I can't recall where I saw what densities with different processes were, but they are far less different when measured by number of transistors per square mm. And another thing I noticed is Intel fit almost as much transistors at 10+++nm as TSMC 7nm. And again, TSMC's process is not true 7nm, it's just not nano meters but a number, followed by nm which is decreased with every improvement of the process, not necessarily and usually not related to node size decrease.

And the last thing is that it doesnt sport a AMD processor which is far more superior than the intel one that runs slower and hotter

It's supposed to use a Tiger Lake i9. Those are made on Intel's 10nm process, which is competitive with the TSMC 7nm that AMD is currently manufactured on (101 million transistors/mm^2 vs 114 MT/mm^2). So I wouldn't expect much difference in heat or power. AMD has been murdering Intel because they've been on TSMC 7nm while Intel has been stuck on their 14nm process. That's 114 MT/mm^2 vs 37.5 MT/mm^2, which was a 3-to-1 advantage in density, with corresponding heat and power advantage. But that advantage mostly disappears with Tiger Lake. (At least until AMD starts manufacturing on TSMC 5nm or 3nm.)

Intel still has a lead in single-threaded performance. I just swapped out an i7 Coffee Lake 6-core for an AMD Zen 2 8-core on my security camera computer expecting performance to increase. But it actually decreased - went from about a constant 60% CPU load to 70%. The i9s are 8 core 16 thread (the first on Intel's 10nm). So I expect them to be competitive with AMD's Zen 3 offerings (currently max out at 8 core 16 thread in their mobile line).

[Joro_]

You're not going to see an AMD processor in X1 Extreme line as Lenovo has a contract with Intel for that line of products. It fits AMD processors in Legion line of products as it has a contract with AMD for that line of products.

Would love to see a ThinkPad X1 Extreme with the following specs:

CPU: AMD Ryzen 9 5950HS + liquid metal
RAM: 2 slots + XMP
Storage: 2x M.2 2280
GPU: RTX 3080, 16GB
Screen: 16" matte slimmer bezel like Dell XPS 15/17