A video review of the new Dell XPS 13 Plus laptop has revealed how much more performance can be expected over the previous-generation XPS 13 and the Apple MacBook Pro 13 from 2020. Pitting the Intel Core i7-1280P against the M1 SoC is clearly an unfair fight, but it is interesting to see Dell take notes from Apple's playbook.
https://www.notebookcheck.net/Dell-XPS-13-Plus-with-i7-1280P-thrashes-Apple-MacBook-Pro-13-with-M1-in-unfair-comparison-of-premium-13-inch-laptops.616566.0.html
and how is it the reviewer fault that apple in 2022 offers 13" with an 2020 CPU? this arrticle is sad.
I agree, the comparison is by no means unfair, and the title is click-baity, which is not something I expect from Notebookcheck.
The fact that Dell manages to cram a 28w chip into a chassis that usually only permits 10w is impressive to say the least, and it is not Dell's fault that Apple hasn't updated their model line up. What would be nicer to see is if the comparison would be at an equal-cost if bought today.
Apple fans are not happy！
It's unfair in the sense that they are not in the same product category.
The XPS 13 Plus is much more in competition with the M1 Pro MacBook Pro 14".
The apple's is even cheaper, starting in 1100.
Intel's processor peaks in 54W.
Upset apple fanboy, stick to the comments section in YouTube kiddo, tech journalism is not your calling
I didn't really expect to read about an Intel CPU besting Apple M series CPUs so this article caught my attention. Comparing a brand new Dell to to a 1st gen Apple is fairly BS, but I still have a couple of questions:
1. What do other benchmarks show ? I have no idea how representative Cinebench is to other tasks and workflows.
2. Is the Cinebench benchmark affected by components other than the CPU ?
3. What is the power/benchmark-unit comparison. At least for me, in a notebook computer the power consumption per performance is easily as important as the CPU by itself. If it wasn't, then the Apple CPU could simply be cranked up to a higher frequency.
Quote from: hhhhhhh on April 30, 2022, 23:34:24
and how is it the reviewer fault that apple in 2022 offers 13" with an 2020 CPU?
Apple also offers faster notebooks ... that were not used for the comparison.
Cinebench is a real life benchmark for rendering by CPU. It represents the former render of Cinema 4D. It is also a bench that do not pushes memory.
It is getting obsolete because now most renders are done by GPU: Blender Cycles, Cinema 4D Redshift (also for other applications), Vray GPU etc., Unreal.
But unfortunately the reviewers are very slow to notice what is going on in the world around them, i am looking at you Notebookcheck!
Quote from: Ramsey on May 01, 2022, 00:40:23
The XPS 13 Plus is much more in competition with the M1 Pro MacBook Pro 14".
Intel's processor peaks in 54W.
I found the M1 Max Cinebench r23 benchmark running in a 60 watt Thermal envelope in a notebook: 14970
So Apple has an offering that soundly trounces Dell performance-wise, but with two trade-offs:
1. Price
2. Perhaps an inferior display since the Dell is OLED
Quote from: Ramsey on May 01, 2022, 00:40:23
It's unfair in the sense that they are not in the same product category.
The XPS 13 Plus is much more in competition with the M1 Pro MacBook Pro 14".
The apple's is even cheaper, starting in 1100.
Intel's processor peaks in 54W.
Umm would you mind telling me where I can buy the 14 inch MacBook Pro for 1100?
Quote from: Eric on May 01, 2022, 02:58:00
Quote from: hhhhhhh on April 30, 2022, 23:34:24
and how is it the reviewer fault that apple in 2022 offers 13" with an 2020 CPU?
Apple also offers faster notebooks ... that were not used for the comparison.
And don't forget, almost double the price. The most expensive xps 13 plus is only slightly more expensive than the base 14 inch MacBook pro
Quote from: Eric on May 01, 2022, 03:11:08
Quote from: Ramsey on May 01, 2022, 00:40:23
The XPS 13 Plus is much more in competition with the M1 Pro MacBook Pro 14".
Intel's processor peaks in 54W.
I found the M1 Max Cinebench r23 benchmark running in a 60 watt Thermal envelope in a notebook: 14970
So Apple has an offering that soundly trounces Dell performance-wise, but with two trade-offs:
1. Price
2. Perhaps an inferior display since the Dell is OLED
Yep the MacBook is almost twice as expensive, so it belongs to a completely different category. Though the Mini-led display in the MacBook is likely gonna be better choice for most people since it is so much brighter and you don't have to worry about burn-in
Benchmarking is one thing and real life user experience is another. I hated Apple Macbook but after I used it it just flies man. Never going back to intel as M1 is many times more faster for me. You can only know if you use it for daily work. No benchmark can prove a real-life scenario.
This is rubbish. I'm expecting more from NBC. Perhaps you should do the benchmarking yourself against Macbook Pro 14 inch and write an article about it.
I've watched the YT clip. Dave is correct in his assessment, this is a comparison between 13 inch laptop vs another 13 inch laptop. Not his fault if Apple hasn't released an updated MBP 13" yet in 2022. However, the double processing power than XPS13 in a similar form factor is encouraging, and good for customers. More competition, more innovation, everyone benefits.
Don't care if even the tables were turned and the intel is half the score. Id still take it over Mac.
NBC is dead. Thanks to this retarded article I have decided to not visit this site ever again.
Why is the comparison unfair? Apple is still selling the 13" M1 MacBook Pro as new with a starting price of $1300. Form-factor is the same. Price is the same. Dell is just giving way better value for your dollar. It's not an unfair comparison. Maybe apple should update their products more often.
Well, I certainly hope that a 2022 Intel CPU with peak power consumption over 60 watts will be faster than a 2020 CPU with peak power consumption under 25W. Otherwise it would have been really embarrassing.
Comparison is based on when it's year released, screen size, and chip release date. It's like comparing a MacBook 12" (discontinued) to a Dell 11" and keep doing the comparisons. In this case, it would be to compare the MacBook 13" and the MacBook 14" to the Dell XPS 13" Plus and Dell Inspiron 14". In any case Dell XPS 13" Plus a fine machine except it's not really a good laptop these days when battery life is poor and it uses so much power. AMD is a much better processor for the Windows side these days.
How much did apple pay u guys . How is this unfair both are slim 13'' laptop. For price compare similar ram & storage options. This Dave did a perfect job unlike you guys.
Quote from: Whypostthis on May 01, 2022, 07:10:16
Why is the comparison unfair? Apple is still selling the 13" M1 MacBook Pro as new with a starting price of $1300. Form-factor is the same. Price is the same. Dell is just giving way better value for your dollar. It's not an unfair comparison. Maybe apple should update their products more often.
Exactly, or at least simply lower their price after a while.
Well, we will see if Dell can solve overheating, this is stumblick block of older models. And that is where M1 shines, no fans and still temperature won't rise over 40C. And of coarse battery life of 20h is impressive. Problem for Dell is temperature and loud fans. Performance on paper is bottlenecked by cooling. And don't forget that M2 is due this year.
Quote from: hhhhhhh on April 30, 2022, 23:34:24
and how is it the reviewer fault that apple in 2022 offers 13" with an 2020 CPU? this arrticle is sad.
Should compare the newest chipsets released for 2022 and compare to the closest chassis. Dell XPS 13 Plus or Alienware X14 should be compared to MacBook Pro 14". Either way it's still a bit unfair b/c Intel is not on the same "nm" size processor therefore it's at a disadvantage. These are laptops, try comparing running only on battery and see which one comes out top. Whomever wins...wins. Doesn't matter if it's Apple or Dell. XPS are also nice machines as are Apple MacBooks.
I kind of agree with NBC here. The fact that Apple still sells this laptop isn't all that important. If you're even considering the 1st gen Macbook in May 2022, you obviously don't care that much about performance and are buying it for other reasons. It's the YouTube video that went full clickbait first.
Quote from: Whypostthis on May 01, 2022, 07:10:16
Why is the comparison unfair? Apple is still selling the 13" M1 MacBook Pro as new with a starting price of $1300. Form-factor is the same. Price is the same. Dell is just giving way better value for your dollar. It's not an unfair comparison. Maybe apple should update their products more often.
$1300 is the entry level Dell with low-DPI display and the i5-1240P. If you want the fast CPU version and the good display, it's basically in the same ballpark as the 14" MBP. I think it's a bit weird to benchmark the $1900 Dell and then praise it on the ground that's it's faster than the $1300 Mac in a benchmark that maximally favors Intel.
I guess it was fair to compare the M1 with more powerful mobile or even desktop AMD/Intel CPUs , in the past two years or so. But now it's not anymore.
1. Nobody argued about M1's efficiency.
2. Apple uses a different architecture and has a different release cycle for their products. It's not an apples to apples comparison.
3. Gone are the days when NBC provided us with quality and accurate content. Just look at the click baits, check the quality of their the reviews, the testing methodology and the rating. And then we can talk about Dave's bias towards Dell or whatnot. In the meantime, I'd rather trust Dave than taking these NBC articles for serious.
4. Attention seeker, is it? Up your game and drop the arrogance, NBC. It's 2022.
It doesn't even matter, because that Dell will be dead within 2 to 3 years and the MacBook Pro will still run like new.
Even though the new 14" is well 14" that should have been the comparison
This article makes no sense:
- at a screen 13.4" and much lower res, if we match the MBP screen, RAM, etc, the XPS 13 Plus would be comparable to the MBP M1 14" M1 Pro.
- the MBP M1 / M1 Pro has a faster CPU/GPU and much longer battery life
People that will buy a MBP (prefer Mac OS / Multimedia Apps) have different needs than the ones that buys Dell (corporative that want Windows / Linux).
I have myself a Mac Mini M1 (my first Mac and Mac OS) and I love the smoothness, the hardware is top!!! But Mac OS is *much* inferior to Windows 11 (I have 2 PCs with Windows 11 -upgraded from W10-). Small easy tasks on W11 are a nightmare on Mac OS:
- screen record with sound (Mac OS needs external app)
- cut / paste without keyboard (Mac OS needs keyboard)
- file management is an horror on Mac OS (no copy speed, no easy rename)
- window management (Mac OS is an absolute failure. I had to buy the fantastic "magnet" app which should be on the OS itself)
- etc. etc. etc.
So I am happy with my Mac Mini M1 because most multimedia apps are better than the Windows ones and it is the reason I bought it. But unless Mac OS becomes an overhaul, I won´t buy a Mac again. Needless to say, the *OS* was also the reason why I never bought an iPhone / iPad anymore. Clearly Apple´s *hardware* team is much much more advanced than the software *decision* team (clearly the software team is fantastic, but not the chiefs who makes the decisions).
I hope Dell also decides to put some AMD 7000-series CPUs with RDNA2 GPUs, I am betting that they are at Intel level or better.
1280p - is it even available to buy?
Can only see 1260p which has c10k single core
Quote from: Consumer on May 01, 2022, 12:38:05
I kind of agree with NBC here. The fact that Apple still sells this laptop isn't all that important. If you're even considering the 1st gen Macbook in May 2022, you obviously don't care that much about performance and are buying it for other reasons. It's the YouTube video that went full clickbait first.
That is simply not true.
Let's say I need to buy a laptop NOW. I don't really care when was it 1st released and how old is the SOC. I just care about the end result.
YT video is simply to paint a picture that M1 is not all THAT magical. It's still ahead of everyone else by some margin (in efficiency, and specific workloads), but it's not magic.
Quote from: sheshirdzhija on May 02, 2022, 12:20:57That is simply not true.
Let's say I need to buy a laptop NOW. I don't really care when was it 1st released and how old is the SOC. I just care about the end result.
Let's not forget pricing, shall we. One is much cheaper than the other, probably because it's a much older model. How much exits their walled is an "end result" most costumers care about -- and in that regard, *very surprisingly*, the M1 in a macbook air does appear to be magic.
This computer doesn't have a visible trackpad, and it has capacitive keys where there is no need or benefit. How powerful a computer is doesn't matter if it's hard to use. That is why I don't own one of these fancy new M Powered Macbooks. Apple refuses to install a touchscreen, which I use a lot as a programmer and data scientist. Every laptop buyer makes use of a trackpad. For that reason alone, the Mac is better.
Can't believe how many braindead Dell simps are in the comments. Most of you morons even think the comparisons have been made against a macbook pro, whilst they're all about the MBA.
Also MBA has 999 starting price and can get even cheaper in reality. This dell's base model starts at 1300 and at configuration the m1 beats the dell hands down in every aspect.
The 1280 cpu model reviewers have been using isn't even available and costs over 2k . If not nearing the 3k mark.