Popular YouTube tech commenter Dave2D has offered up some astounding estimates for the potential of the Apple M1X processor that could turn up inside the upcoming MacBook Pro 14 and MacBook Pro 16. It is suggested that an M1X Apple Silicon with a 32-core GPU could keep up with a GeForce RTX 3070 Laptop GPU while consuming less than half the power.
https://www.notebookcheck.net/Apple-M1X-with-32-core-GPU-could-match-GeForce-RTX-3070-Laptop-graphics-performance-at-43-of-the-power-cost-according-to-astonishing-estimates.543612.0.html
6800m which competes with RTX 3070 has a TGP iup to 145 watts and RTX 3070 mobile is 80 to 125 watts. These comparisons are at the lowest TGP. Can the apple boost higher or is this the maximum?. Good if you want low power, but needs to boost higher to compete on performance.
Interesting article read on WCCFtech, but the comparison is not good, M1X(M2?) on geekBench for x86 hw is not the maximus, however seeing MrMacRight on YT (excellent YT channel to see how M1 works also in games) specially the most powerful (on macmini for the cooling system better than other fanless or on iMac where the ventilation is near¬ upon the chip) M1 really consume 20W TDP and GPU up to 11W like on Anandtech article (really precise) but I start to have some doubts about that will consume 20W, after seeing ARM v9 and Mali 710 GPU and where? On Macbook pro? returning about the comparison is not exact even if the scores are similar to a GTX 1050Ti that M1 has the same perfs of a 1050 (not Ti) and with double cores (not specified is are in new arch but the name is m1X so shuld be the same) won't reach the perf of a GTX 1060 6GB @OC.
gtx 1050 on all YT benchs get less 15fps from Ti that get less 16 fps from 1060 3Gb that get 15 fps from 6Gb. So I won't be surpised getting same arch with double cores(and maybe double TDP) reach a level (I'm exagerating) of a GTX 1660Ti.
maybe that image will be precise for a future M2.
Just a curios ARM has shown recently their new arch an ew mobile GPU, will we see GT710 on A15? if yes maybe it will be on M2, if yes ok, that comparison can be good. M2= GTX 1080 incredible jump that 20W can be equal to a 180W oven graphic.
don't see me, i use this good angle tech page to exercise my bad english ;D
just another curiosity, will we see on 3D packaging M2 with integrated GDDR5/6 or HBM to increase perfs for the iGPU instead of useless LPDDR4X/5 ? Will increase drastiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiicy the perfs of the GPU instead doing all these references?
A whole article regarding the shower thoughts if a YouTuber. Hard up for content?
Quote from: Franky on June 06, 2021, 02:04:55
A whole article regarding the shower thoughts if a YouTuber. Hard up for content?
It's controversial and gets people to click on it since it's talking about Apple stepping up and challenging some of the upper crust graphical power of the current leaders in the space. So.. yeah.. they're doing their job by getting people to click on things that seem wild and specualative.
So much power, and yet, no games on Mac lmao.
But will it play Crysis?
prices lowering of imac 24'' and others due to m1 unfixable security flaw baked into the silicon, which aple has acknowledged the issue and assigned it code CVE-2021-30747??
Quote from: Franky on June 06, 2021, 02:04:55
A whole article regarding the shower thoughts if a YouTuber. Hard up for content?
What else could you expect from a publication taking their news from the tech equivalent of the Daily Garbage?
Just by moving the GPU on to the same die as most of the rest of the computational hardware they...save about 20% I/O? Then that's TSMC 5nm vs. Samsung 8nm, another HUGE gap...the numbers seem to add up
Other YouTubers have done estimates of the GPU performance of the M1X SoC in much more depth and literally months ago - Luke Miani, MaxTech & iCaveDave to name a few.
The hysteria of comments on this article though? Apple have clearly stolen a march on x86 in the mobile processor space so let's all calm down, relax & accept that. It's just a battle people, not the war. AMD & Intel aren't exactly dead yet. Give credit where it's due and let's all move on.
If it is true then chances for delivery any time soon are close to 0 and chances for prices blowing up extremely high. The truth lies somewhere between 1050 and 3070 - I believe.
It'd be nice if things worked like this.... But they don't.
The same logic would suggest that, if intel could make the core m7 at 4.5w, then they could've made a 20c/40t upto 3ghz cpu with 1920 (240 eus) core gpu.... at 45w! In 2015!
But they couldn't, because its not that simple.
I dislike apple, not a fan of anything, but I dislike apple, because every person who buys apple stuff, seems to only buy apple stuff, irrespective of its worth. The amount of businesses that really innovated and have been ruined, whilst customers go out and buy $400 watches that they'll barely look at after a month....
The M1 is incredible, I hate apple, but kudos, but its not as incredible as some seem to believe, the m1 macs have massive caveats, but still, with how much of a market share they have when producing the most un-innovating crap year after year, I worry of how much of a monopoly they'll get with a genuinely good product... :(
There is a silver lining. Apple is lazy, take a look at the imac. Fanboys we're "leaking" 32core m1x for that, what they got was an giant m1 ipad without a touchscreen.
Don't worry kiddos, they'll probably release a 12 core model for the mac book 16 and recycle the 8 core for 14. Because why bother spending money, when the peasants will give us their money anyway.
Quote from: Harrykonstantinos on June 08, 2021, 18:07:08
It'd be nice if things worked like this.... But they don't.
The same logic would suggest that, if intel could make the core m7 at 4.5w, then they could've made a 20c/40t upto 3ghz cpu with 1920 (240 eus) core gpu.... at 45w! In 2015!
But they couldn't, because its not that simple.
I dislike apple, not a fan of anything, but I dislike apple, because every person who buys apple stuff, seems to only buy apple stuff, irrespective of its worth. The amount of businesses that really innovated and have been ruined, whilst customers go out and buy $400 watches that they'll barely look at after a month....
The M1 is incredible, I hate apple, but kudos, but its not as incredible as some seem to believe, the m1 macs have massive caveats, but still, with how much of a market share they have when producing the most un-innovating crap year after year, I worry of how much of a monopoly they'll get with a genuinely good product... :(
There is a silver lining. Apple is lazy, take a look at the imac. Fanboys we're "leaking" 32core m1x for that, what they got was an giant m1 ipad without a touchscreen.
Don't worry kiddos, they'll probably release a 12 core model for the mac book 16 and recycle the 8 core for 14. Because why bother spending money, when the peasants will give us their money anyway.
It does not. GPU workloads are far more parallel in nature, meaning you could just keep adding small slow cores and it's relatively easy to get linear improvement.
Also I own an iPP but that's the only Apple device I own. I don't regard Apple's other products as uniquely competitive, not to mention having to put up with anticonsumer designs like removal of the headphone jack.
Quote from: S.Yu on June 09, 2021, 00:21:19
It does not. GPU workloads are far more parallel in nature, meaning you could just keep adding small slow cores and it's relatively easy to get linear improvement.
Also I own an iPP but that's the only Apple device I own. I don't regard Apple's other products as uniquely competitive, not to mention having to put up with anticonsumer designs like removal of the headphone jack.
Firstly, gpu core scaling does not offer direct relative performance, it does with regard to Flops, but not in practical cal terms, but sat here thinking, you're right in a way, since those are the numbers they gauage everything by, as there's no practical means of evaluating "real world" values.
However, whenever they've done "expected performance" of a fantasy product (isn't it sad that people actually fantasise about cpus?) they've been dissapointed.
As for the latter part, you are a rarity, my best friend has an ipad for garage band and that's it. But you telling me you don't know more people than not who only buy apple stuff if th can afford it.
That's why I hate hearing about apple actually doing something good. I remember walking into a design studio full of trendy kids on macs using wacom slates, but amazed by my Asus taichi. But I couldn't buy an upgrade of that, because it didn't sell well enough, the mac books did...
Sony made an external gpu to built into an external CD drive in 2011 (see vaio z) it was expensive but incredible. Imagine a 13" ultra book with a dvd drive size external RX 5500M, that would be the current equivalent, but it didn't sell, the equally expensive i5 mac book did.
I expect the rog 13 flow (the best alrounder for nerds who actually do creative stuff) will probably not get an update.
If consumers were like us, it'd be great, but they're not, and I can just see a future where I have to choose between buying a $1500 base model ipad Pro or a crappy surface update or old model because they've destroyed all competition and no one is able to compete due to lack of funds..
Quote from: slws on June 07, 2021, 16:06:55
If it is true then chances for delivery any time soon are close to 0 and chances for prices blowing up extremely high. The truth lies somewhere between 1050 and 3070 - I believe.
That's a GPU spec gap so wide you could drive a pallet of Mac Pro's through it.
Quote from: Harrykonstantinos on June 09, 2021, 14:33:55
Sony made an external gpu to built into an external CD drive in 2011 (see vaio z) it was expensive but incredible. Imagine a 13" ultra book with a dvd drive size external RX 5500M, that would be the current equivalent, but it didn't sell, the equally expensive i5 mac book did.
I don't need to imagine that, I'm typing on that very model now used exclusively as a desktop at home, though with a slightly broken screen ;) And the GPU stopped functioning years ago along with the rest of the dock (the optical drive and additional ports) presumably due to a major Windows update, so I threw that away. Not even the fingerprint sensor works now because of mandatory system updates. I should really stress how frustrating Windows Update is on an old device.
Quote from: Harrykonstantinos on June 08, 2021, 18:07:08
It'd be nice if things worked like this.... But they don't.
The same logic would suggest that, if intel could make the core m7 at 4.5w, then they could've made a 20c/40t upto 3ghz cpu with 1920 (240 eus) core gpu.... at 45w! In 2015!
But they couldn't, because its not that simple.
I dislike apple, not a fan of anything, but I dislike apple, because every person who buys apple stuff, seems to only buy apple stuff, irrespective of its worth. The amount of businesses that really innovated and have been ruined, whilst customers go out and buy $400 watches that they'll barely look at after a month....
The M1 is incredible, I hate apple, but kudos, but its not as incredible as some seem to believe, the m1 macs have massive caveats, but still, with how much of a market share they have when producing the most un-innovating crap year after year, I worry of how much of a monopoly they'll get with a genuinely good product... :(
There is a silver lining. Apple is lazy, take a look at the imac. Fanboys we're "leaking" 32core m1x for that, what they got was an giant m1 ipad without a touchscreen.
Don't worry kiddos, they'll probably release a 12 core model for the mac book 16 and recycle the 8 core for 14. Because why bother spending money, when the peasants will give us their money anyway.
Quote...because every person who buys apple stuff, seems to only buy apple stuff, irrespective of its worth.
Maybe that's because they have the best tech ecosystem on the market and when you step outside of it everything doesn't work as well together?
QuoteThe same logic would suggest that, if intel could make the core m7 at 4.5w, then they could've made a 20c/40t upto 3ghz cpu with 1920 (240 eus) core gpu.... at 45w! In 2015!
Maybe they didn't do it because they weren't planning to enter the GPU market or their performance estimate internally have shown them that they wouldn't be able to make a competitive GPU with Nvidia? Maybe they didn't do it because they were fine sitting at the top of the CPU space, or because they weren't at the cusp of an architectural transition on their own hardware (which they don't really have such a platform of their own)?
QuoteThere is a silver lining. Apple is lazy, take a look at the imac. Fanboys we're "leaking" 32core m1x for that, what they got was an giant m1 ipad without a touchscreen.
The M1 iMac replaced the entry level 21.5" iMac with a dual core Intel laptop CPU. It was still a massive upgrade over that machine, and it along with other features put the M1 iMac in the position of undoubtedly being the best all-in-one on the market. They're still literally continuing to sell the 27" version with the 10th gen desktop i5/7/9 chips, which they haven't replaced with an Apple Silicon version yet.
Anyway, the recurring theme in your comment is being extremely superficial. You yourself could've thought of a compelling counterargument to every point you've made, but you chose not to. Apple will indeed flourish and eat into a large segment of the Windows laptop & desktop market, but they will certainly deserve it. I'm sorry a company being innovative (which, I don't have any Apple stocks and I'm not particularly interested in their success as a corporate, but rather as a collective of innovative people having gathered under a single culture) makes you upset, and you continue to hate that company without any reason, but you do you I guess.