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always bench under cpu, but never GPU side, i have to wait techEpifany on YT to see how a iGPU works... damn

I'll skip 5xxx APU like I skipped 3xxx when I upgraded from a 2400G to a 4750G. Thay was a great upgrade. This seems too incremental.

Ill be skipping this one and sticking with my r5 2600. Waiting for a budget 10-core in the next gen

Wait for Zen 4 on AM5, 5nm process, better power and thermals, improved IPC, RDNA2/3, should be a step change and upgradeable for years to come if ever needed. My Phenom II x6 is actually servicing my needs fine for now but has maxxed out my AM3 board, so in a couple of years i may look at the latest maybe Zen 5 by then?

i'm more interested in 5650g compared to 4650g than 5750g

if you read comments please be attention, they all will skip from an "old" cpu to another one, but they are fake accounts, because in this period there is a short cut of money and their upgrade isn't so big, to not speak that iGPu is in pair of GT 1030 nowadays price of 200$.

APU are useless, buy anR3 or i3 with a dGPU.

thank you reader

Quote from: Paul Roux on April 04, 2021, 17:12:14
I'll skip 5xxx APU like I skipped 3xxx when I upgraded from a 2400G to a 4750G. Thay was a great upgrade. This seems too incremental.

very true. if you're already sporting Renoir then no need to change to Cezanne unless you really need that CPU performance increase, or if your workload need more cache.

otherwise the GPU block are literally the same between Cezanne and Renoir—just higher clock speed on the former.

ancient Vega graphics.
no thanks

Quote from: 8&8 on April 04, 2021, 20:19:15
APU are useless, buy anR3 or i3 with a dGPU.

An advantage of APU is that the box can be a lot smaller. And the GPU is practically for free (4750G costs about as much as 3700X, at least around here). I even have a small research cluster built from them since standard desktop Ryzens lack even the most basic iGPU, unlike Intel's counterparts.

There is still a market for exceptional CPU with average GPU. Not everyone needs a high heat, heat watt, high $$$ GPU. Not everyone is looking for record high framerates in their games and hash cryptocoin. They prefer to have their furnace heat their home, not their PC. These fullfill a need in the middle of the market.

@ _MT_ nah, because you can't play in 1080p or even 720p ultra settings. dGPU instead can help you playing 1080p in medium/high ex: see MX450 @28W or GTX 150Ti if price permit this. better with old RX480 /RX 550.

are useless because with few CU can't resolve your desire to play normal games, if yes only androids. AMD could mantain the same CU or even increase them, like Igor's Lab wrote months ago...

Ah right AMd&intel are in a secret agreement

Phoenix APU 8CU RDNA2 10c/20t zen4 (or if we are optimists 16CU with MCM) can't even run Star Citizen in 720p High settings.

Quote from: 8&8 on April 05, 2021, 18:27:22
@ _MT_ nah, because you can't play in 1080p or even 720p ultra settings. dGPU instead can help you playing 1080p in medium/high ex: see MX450 @28W or GTX 150Ti if price permit this. better with old RX480 /RX 550.

are useless because with few CU can't resolve your desire to play normal games, if yes only androids. AMD could mantain the same CU or even increase them, like Igor's Lab wrote months ago...

Ah right AMd&intel are in a secret agreement

Not everybody plays games. And it should be plenty for older games. Which should suffice for people who play once in blue moon. APUs are not built for gaming. Certainly not the latest and greatest at high settings. It's about priorities. I prefer small and quiet computers. And when I'm sitting at a computer, I prefer working. When I want to have fun, I go outdoors. Games come in handy in bad weather.

Quote from: 8&8 on April 04, 2021, 20:19:15
if you read comments please be attention, they all will skip from an "old" cpu to another one, but they are fake accounts, because in this period there is a short cut of money and their upgrade isn't so big, to not speak that iGPu is in pair of GT 1030 nowadays price of 200$.

APU are useless, buy anR3 or i3 with a dGPU.
thank you reader

Dumbest. Comment. Ever.
Anyone who is half as clever as a dim witted monkey knows you don't buy apus for anything other than budget gaming.
What they offer is potentially smaller boxes. Try building a nuc with a full sized, or even lff gpu.
Its impossible.
They also offer dx, ogl and Vulcan support in situations where its needed, but real time rendering isn't.
Features, not outright performance.

LOL

if you want miniPC buy ASrock deskmini
HP EliteDesk and also Minisforum.

Everyone to justify this awesome (under CPU view) APu and this trash (under GPU side) processor.
When was created the first APU, the idea was to replace low end VGA, in long time ago 2011? (don't remeber well) and now after a good 11CU Polaris 3400G instead to increase CU and replace with RDNA THEY (I dunno who is the manager to decide why iGPU must su** with few CU and recycled technology) ruined the first concept of APUs.

they could do like ARM iftlike so much number 8, with 16CU like M1X 8x2 vega CU=16CU and everybody are happy like me.

useless see Rembrandt/Phoenix/ Manzoni (hope never XD) RDNA2-3-4-...8986454 8CU with newer RAM. performances will remain always the same in steps of times.

@patrick76

If AMD wants can reach an agreement with HP/Minisforum for their NUC to create a decent APU, 8c/16t with 20 vega CU in 200mm^2 die size.

It will be a decent APU to play normally at the same performances of intel Nuc with their ugly skull at a decent price for our normal people.
When I'm depressed i would like to play in games, instead to read accounts complaining about what has done this or that.

I hope these aren't OEM only.

after zen4 with iGPU will APU have sense?

Quote from: Mikkle on April 07, 2021, 08:50:31
I hope these aren't OEM only.

While 4750G was "OEM only," it really meant that there is no retail box and they shipped packed in boxes of 12 (containing a tray with 12 processors plus 12 coolers). You just needed to find a store willing to part it out.