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Title: HP Spectre x360 14 Convertible Review: An Instant Favorite
Post by: Redaktion on December 23, 2020, 08:47:53
There's a new 13.5-inch HP Spectre in town and it absolutely trumps the 13.3-inch Spectre that came before it. The jump to 3:2 is a natural move to put the Spectre series more in line with prosumer competitors like the Dell XPS or Asus ZenBook S series.

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Title: Re: HP Spectre x360 14 Convertible Review: An Instant Favorite
Post by: constantin on December 23, 2020, 12:38:14
Hi, can you please check the S3 sleep mode support?
Is that available as a BIOS setting? (Sleep Windows/Linux)
I find it ridiculous that new laptops come without it, which makes leaving you machine in standby you will find it with the battery depleted.
That would make it an instant dealbreaker for me.
Title: Re: HP Spectre x360 14 Convertible Review: An Instant Favorite
Post by: Nam on December 23, 2020, 13:19:08
Would love a 15 inch version of this with SODIMM slots and M.2 WiFi. And AMD options.
Title: Re: HP Spectre x360 14 Convertible Review: An Instant Favorite
Post by: Barong on December 23, 2020, 13:40:17
HP, you're killing me! I have the first-gen Spectre x360 13, and literally every single day I want to throw it out the window because of the terrible trackpad. And every review I have ever read of the Spectre has complained about the trackpad -- but it took HP 6 years to fix it! And when they do finally fix it, they take away the right Ctrl key! I use that dozens of times a day. How often will I use the fingerprint reader? They fixed one usability issue and introduced another. I'd been waiting for HP to fix the trackpad before I upgraded, but I will not be buying from HP after all, it seems. Lenovo, here I come.
Title: Re: HP Spectre x360 14 Convertible Review: An Instant Favorite
Post by: adjfljfkl on December 23, 2020, 14:05:07
Quote from: constantin on December 23, 2020, 12:38:14
Hi, can you please check the S3 sleep mode support?
Is that available as a BIOS setting? (Sleep Windows/Linux)
I find it ridiculous that new laptops come without it, which makes leaving you machine in standby you will find it with the battery depleted.
That would make it an instant dealbreaker for me.

I have the HP Spectre x360 13, and it does seem to be an option in the BIOS, and it does come with it enabled by default. When I put the laptop to sleep mode, it goes to sleep like it should. Because of that, on standby, when sleeping, it sat for an entire day unplugged and only lost 5 percent of its battery. I love it.
Title: Re: HP Spectre x360 14 Convertible Review: An Instant Favorite
Post by: a random monkey on December 23, 2020, 14:07:45
This laptop is a real competitor against the Surface Laptop 3, let alone XPS. This thing with its 3:2 aspect ratio kills the XPS's 16:10, and it even has better performance than it due to the higher power limits. Wow HP, I'm surprised. I thought that they were known for having terrible trackpads, but this thing looks surprisingly good!
Title: Re: HP Spectre x360 14 Convertible Review: An Instant Favorite
Post by: fear der beard on December 23, 2020, 14:10:25
Can you guys review the Spectre x360 13 OLED? Even though it's supposed to have a 400 nit OLED panel, it seems even brighter than my old Macbook Pro 13 (2 TB3) 2017's 500 nit one. Can you guys check?
Title: Re: HP Spectre x360 14 Convertible Review: An Instant Favorite
Post by: Olivander on December 23, 2020, 14:32:22
Only 16GB soldered ram, a glossy panel, hard to maintenance, only 1 year of warranty...this is crazy. This is soon to be electronic trash.
Why do you give it 89% then?
Title: Re: HP Spectre x360 14 Convertible Review: An Instant Favorite
Post by: John Smith on December 23, 2020, 15:16:32
Quote from: Olivander on December 23, 2020, 14:32:22
Only 16GB soldered ram, a glossy panel, hard to maintenance, only 1 year of warranty...this is crazy. This is soon to be electronic trash.
Why do you give it 89% then?

Insanely good keyboard, optional OLED display, 3:2 aspect ratio, quad speakers, surprisingly good battery life, really good performance, 2-in-1 functionality, and an amazingly pristine look. This thing deserves more than an 89%.
Title: Re: HP Spectre x360 14 Convertible Review: An Instant Favorite
Post by: iUser on December 23, 2020, 16:14:27
Spectre x360 14 looks nice, but it is overpriced, even considering pretty rare 3:2 screen.
Do you plan to review ThinkBook 13s G2?
Looks like it will be one of the best valued 16:10 laptops with overall interesting specs.
Title: Re: HP Spectre x360 14 Convertible Review: An Instant Favorite
Post by: angry ryzen fan on December 23, 2020, 16:19:14
Quote from: iUser on December 23, 2020, 16:14:27
Spectre x360 14 looks nice, but it is overpriced, even considering pretty rare 3:2 screen.
Do you plan to review ThinkBook 13s G2?
Looks like it will be one of the best valued 16:10 laptops with overall interesting specs.


It might seem overpriced, but HP has some sort of deal with Best Buy, and over there, you can get this exact same config for 300 less, making it much better value.
Title: Re: HP Spectre x360 14 Convertible Review: An Instant Favorite
Post by: Intool on December 23, 2020, 16:35:55
Looking forward to the 3:2 15 inch version, without soldered RAM and WIFI.
Title: Re: HP Spectre x360 14 Convertible Review: An Instant Favorite
Post by: Paulius on December 23, 2020, 16:48:31
Quote from: iUser on December 23, 2020, 16:14:27
Do you plan to review ThinkBook 13s G2?
Looks like it will be one of the best valued 16:10 laptops with overall interesting specs.
No touchscreen, not 2in1... You might as well recommend to buy a refrigerator :)
Title: Re: HP Spectre x360 14 Convertible Review: An Instant Favorite
Post by: bandage on December 23, 2020, 17:23:20
Considering that this device is coming from HP, this is surprisingly good. I might as well buy it to replace by 2017 XPS 13
Title: Re: HP Spectre x360 14 Convertible Review: An Instant Favorite
Post by: bandage on December 23, 2020, 17:25:50
Wow, that contrast ratio is amazingly good.
Title: Re: HP Spectre x360 14 Convertible Review: An Instant Favorite
Post by: David Loper on December 23, 2020, 17:52:39
I bought the oled 3000/ 2000 version from Best buy durring cyber week. It also came with a1 tb ssd with 32 gb optane. Discounted from 1699.00 to 1399.00. Couldn't pass it up.
Title: Re: HP Spectre x360 14 Convertible Review: An Instant Favorite
Post by: xpclient on December 23, 2020, 18:50:51
No touchpad buttons=no buy.
Title: Re: HP Spectre x360 14 Convertible Review: An Instant Favorite
Post by: iUser on December 23, 2020, 18:52:53
Quote from: angry ryzen fan on December 23, 2020, 16:19:14
It might seem overpriced, but HP has some sort of deal with Best Buy, and over there, you can get this exact same config for 300 less, making it much better value.
Not all NBC readers live in areas with Best Buy.
Tested configuration cost 1599€ in Germany.
Quote from: Paulius on December 23, 2020, 16:48:31
No touchscreen, not 2in1... You might as well recommend to buy a refrigerator :)
1) I didn't recommended or compared this laptop with HP, I'm just asked if NBC plans to review it any soon.
2) ThinkBook 13s G2 with Intel have touch screen option.
Title: Re: HP Spectre x360 14 Convertible Review: An Instant Favorite
Post by: bruh on December 23, 2020, 18:58:50
Quote from: xpclient on December 23, 2020, 18:50:51
No touchpad buttons=no buy.

Almost no laptop nowadays has touchpad buttons. Look at the MacBooks. They are known for having the best touchpad out of any laptop, and they don't have buttons on the. Once you use a touchpad which doesn't have buttons, then you'll get used to it and regret having that wasted space for buttons.
Title: Re: HP Spectre x360 14 Convertible Review: An Instant Favorite
Post by: Handy on December 24, 2020, 12:55:04
Does the power button on the keyboard work, if it is in tablet or tent mode?

(This is at least an issue on this years Envy x360 13" where the power button is also builtin the keyboard. But in tent and tablet mode the keyboard incl. power button is disabled, so one need to fold it back to power it on or wake it from standby. HP knows about the issue, but for the Envys HP did not release a fix.)
Title: Re: HP Spectre x360 14 Convertible Review: An Instant Favorite
Post by: Joe Smith on December 24, 2020, 15:25:12
Quote from: Handy on December 24, 2020, 12:55:04
Does the power button on the keyboard work, if it is in tablet or tent mode?

(This is at least an issue on this years Envy x360 13" where the power button is also builtin the keyboard. But in tent and tablet mode the keyboard incl. power button is disabled, so one need to fold it back to power it on or wake it from standby. HP knows about the issue, but for the Envys HP did not release a fix.)

Though the power button on the keyboard doesn't work, HP does keep the digitizer on the display on, meaning that if the laptop is sleeping in tablet mode, then with just a tap of the display, it wakes up. When the laptop is shut down in tablet mode, the digitizer is off, BUT they do keep the keyboard on in that mode.
Title: Re: HP Spectre x360 14 Convertible Review: An Instant Favorite
Post by: dannymckb on December 25, 2020, 00:22:30
I received a custom config Spectre X360 14 from HP. I ordered an i7 with 16GB RAM, 512gb ssd and the 1920x1200 IPS 400 nits panel (not the sureview one)

Overall I'm pleased with the laptop, but I am extremely disappointed by the screen compared to my wife's Lenovo Yoga C940 (FHD). Viewing angles are narrower, screen is dimmer, there is a noticeable vignette effect around the edges and the picture looks grainy, specially with white images.

The panel ID is LG06663, same one as the one in this review.

I avoided the OLED version because of the shorter battery life, and I thought that the IPS screen would be fine. I usually buy laptops with the FHD option instead of 4k panels, but this is ridiculous.

I'm hating it to the point I'm considering to return this laptop and buy something else, even though I have to pay a 15% restocking fee.
Title: Re: HP Spectre x360 14 Convertible Review: An Instant Favorite
Post by: I Carumba on December 25, 2020, 00:58:14
Nobody cares about Intel 'Evo' certification.  Give me the 15" version with the AMD cpu please.
Title: Re: HP Spectre x360 14 Convertible Review: An Instant Favorite
Post by: Bobby on December 25, 2020, 01:13:26
@dannymckb The problem with the C940 FHD screen is that it is super reflective and even indoors this becomes very annoying. I'm waiting for the spectre to arrive but I know what you describe will be due to the anti-reflective coating present on the spectre's screen. I don't need my laptop to have wide viewing angles (I never look at my laptop from extreme angles) and the benefit of being able to look at a less reflective screen is well worth it.
Title: Re: HP Spectre x360 14 Convertible Review: An Instant Favorite
Post by: John smith on December 25, 2020, 02:07:33
Quote from: dannymckb on December 25, 2020, 00:22:30
I received a custom config Spectre X360 14 from HP. I ordered an i7 with 16GB RAM, 512gb ssd and the 1920x1200 IPS 400 nits panel (not the sureview one)

Overall I'm pleased with the laptop, but I am extremely disappointed by the screen compared to my wife's Lenovo Yoga C940 (FHD). Viewing angles are narrower, screen is dimmer, there is a noticeable vignette effect around the edges and the picture looks grainy, specially with white images.

The panel ID is LG06663, same one as the one in this review.

I avoided the OLED version because of the shorter battery life, and I thought that the IPS screen would be fine. I usually buy laptops with the FHD option instead of 4k panels, but this is ridiculous.

I'm hating it to the point I'm considering to return this laptop and buy something else, even though I have to pay a 15% restocking fee.


I'm pretty sure you have a defective model, since I have the exact same laptop, the one with the LG06663, and I do not notice any vignette effect around the display, viewing angles are perfect, and the display seems very bright. Try contacting HP support to get this figured out, since I believe you have a defective model.
Title: Re: HP Spectre x360 14 Convertible Review: An Instant Favorite
Post by: Dorby on December 25, 2020, 03:01:11
I get consist 6 hours of battery life on the OLED model and let me tell you, the trade off is 100% worth it.
Title: Re: HP Spectre x360 14 Convertible Review: An Instant Favorite
Post by: Boojor on December 25, 2020, 04:11:56
Quote from: Dorby on December 25, 2020, 03:01:11
I get consist 6 hours of battery life on the OLED model and let me tell you, the trade off is 100% worth it.

Especially with that amazing contrast ratio and perfect blacks, along with excellent viewing angles, the OLED panel is the way to go.
Title: Re: HP Spectre x360 14 Convertible Review: An Instant Favorite
Post by: S.Yu on December 25, 2020, 13:00:08
Overall, I'm positively impressed. I didn't realize there was such a potential viable alternative to my XPS132N1 but since the digitizer of the XPS is a huge annoyance I could upgrade to this if I'm able to confirm that this digitizer works as well as a SP. The additional card reader and USB slot are also bonuses, the price also seems lower...

Really confused about some of the performance figures though, like one of the PCMark ones that show the 1065G7 XPS to be ~60% faster. It can be deducted that the fans in this model dissipate about 4W less heat max than the XPS, which is acceptable, but some figures still seem irregular.
Title: Re: HP Spectre x360 14 Convertible Review: An Instant Favorite
Post by: Scott on December 25, 2020, 16:42:34
I opted to get the 15t but customized to get the oled screen... no definitive reviews yet but it seems the 15t handles thermals with tigerlake much better than these smaller versions, should translate in to a win... also battery life even with the 15.6 amoled should be much better than the ice lake , both because of efficiency and integrated graphics}
Title: Re: HP Spectre x360 14 Convertible Review: An Instant Favorite
Post by: dadankboi on December 25, 2020, 18:35:19
I got the OLED spectre x360 14, and my thoughts on it so far are that first off, the display is literally the best. It does use PWM, but it's at 240 hz under 30% brightness, and above that, I don't notice it. The colors are amazing, brightness is exceptional, and the infinite contrast ratio is breathtaking. I watched one of those LG OLED TV showcase videos, and compared to my 2017 MacBook Pro, the HP is insanely better. Even though it's not 4k (which isn't really necessary at 13.5 in), the 3000x2000 display resolution is better than 1920x1280. Furthermore the 3:2 aspect ratio really does make a difference when it comes to productivity, and I really love it. Also, the keyboard, trackpad, and I/O are spot on, since it still retains a USB type A port, which neither the XPS 13 or 15 or even 17 offer. It's really nice when you have to plug in a mouse or two factor authentication key and you don't need to reach for a stupid dongle. Lastly, the battery life is still respectable, even though it has an OLED display. It lasted about 7 hours of light usage (5.5 hours for light & mixed usage), which is surprising considering the high resolution and OLED display. Note: I did keep the laptop on quiet mode. Having it on the smart sense would decrease the battery by around two or three hours, so make sure it's on quiet. All in all, this laptop at the price of 1399 is quite a steal of a deal, considering what it's offering at that price, when compared to say, the XPS 13 or even the 15.
Title: Re: HP Spectre x360 14 Convertible Review: An Instant Favorite
Post by: vertigo on December 26, 2020, 22:04:01
This is pretty impressive, and had it been available a month ago I might have bought it, but instead I went with a T14s. If the Lenovo ends up having any issues, there's no way I'm going to wait another month-and-a-half or longer, in which case this looks like a great possible alternative. And personally, I'll take the battery life and better gaming performance of a 1080p display over a 4k and/or OLED one any day, and I don't trust OLED on a laptop due to burn-in, but it's also nice to have options.

QuoteThe Spectre would lose its Evo certification if it came equipped with AMD options.

Perfect example of Intel's antitrust behavior. There's no valid reason for this, as models with Intel chips should be Evo and ones with AMD shouldn't be, simple as that. They need to be sued for this. And I agree with another commentor, that the Evo designation is useless anyways. As I mentioned in a comment on another article, it's just a buzzword Intel is using to try and stand out and make their products seem like more than they are.
Title: Re: HP Spectre x360 14 Convertible Review: An Instant Favorite
Post by: S.Yu on December 26, 2020, 23:21:29
Quote from: dadankboi on December 25, 2020, 18:35:19
I got the OLED spectre x360 14, and my thoughts on it so far are that first off, the display is literally the best. It does use PWM, but it's at 240 hz under 30% brightness, and above that, I don't notice it. The colors are amazing, brightness is exceptional, and the infinite contrast ratio is breathtaking. I watched one of those LG OLED TV showcase videos, and compared to my 2017 MacBook Pro, the HP is insanely better. Even though it's not 4k (which isn't really necessary at 13.5 in), the 3000x2000 display resolution is better than 1920x1280. Furthermore the 3:2 aspect ratio really does make a difference when it comes to productivity, and I really love it. Also, the keyboard, trackpad, and I/O are spot on, since it still retains a USB type A port, which neither the XPS 13 or 15 or even 17 offer. It's really nice when you have to plug in a mouse or two factor authentication key and you don't need to reach for a stupid dongle. Lastly, the battery life is still respectable, even though it has an OLED display. It lasted about 7 hours of light usage (5.5 hours for light & mixed usage), which is surprising considering the high resolution and OLED display. Note: I did keep the laptop on quiet mode. Having it on the smart sense would decrease the battery by around two or three hours, so make sure it's on quiet. All in all, this laptop at the price of 1399 is quite a steal of a deal, considering what it's offering at that price, when compared to say, the XPS 13 or even the 15.
Interesting, I just checked HP US a few days ago and the OLED option wasn't available, not greyed out but not even shown as an option.
The advantage of OLED is primarily the contrast. Even a VGA video would look a notch better than on a regular screen. 3000x2000 isn't even needed at this size, honestly.
7hrs light use is worse than the battery size would suggest though.
Overall the price is still good. HP may possibly be the only manufacturer in the PC market that reports prices I consider reasonable without flash sales or deals from unofficial channels. There are cheaper alternatives of course but the really ugly ones or those that look flimsy at a glance like barebones I just plainly ignore.
Title: Re: HP Spectre x360 14 Convertible Review: An Instant Favorite
Post by: dadankboi on December 26, 2020, 23:40:36
Quote from: S.Yu on December 26, 2020, 23:21:29
Interesting, I just checked HP US a few days ago and the OLED option wasn't available, not greyed out but not even shown as an option.
The advantage of OLED is primarily the contrast. Even a VGA video would look a notch better than on a regular screen. 3000x2000 isn't even needed at this size, honestly.
7hrs light use is worse than the battery size would suggest though.
Overall the price is still good. HP may possibly be the only manufacturer in the PC market that reports prices I consider reasonable without flash sales or deals from unofficial channels. There are cheaper alternatives of course but the really ugly ones or those that look flimsy at a glance like barebones I just plainly ignore.
I just noticed that on HP's website. That's interesting. I didn't purchase the device on from HP directly though. I got it from Best Buy, since it was at a lower price. What HP does is that instead of showing that a certain config or part is out of stock, they just remove it from their website. I have no idea why they would do this, since it tells the customer that they might have discontinued that specific config, which isn't true.
Title: Re: HP Spectre x360 14 Convertible Review: An Instant Favorite
Post by: boi on December 26, 2020, 23:42:00
I wonder when Linus Tech Tips will review this laptop
Title: Re: HP Spectre x360 14 Convertible Review: An Instant Favorite
Post by: Mothertrucker19 on December 27, 2020, 17:45:38
Quote from: Joe Smith on December 24, 2020, 15:25:12
Quote from: Handy on December 24, 2020, 12:55:04
Does the power button on the keyboard work, if it is in tablet or tent mode?

(This is at least an issue on this years Envy x360 13" where the power button is also builtin the keyboard. But in tent and tablet mode the keyboard incl. power button is disabled, so one need to fold it back to power it on or wake it from standby. HP knows about the issue, but for the Envys HP did not release a fix.)

Though the power button on the keyboard doesn't work, HP does keep the digitizer on the display on, meaning that if the laptop is sleeping in tablet mode, then with just a tap of the display, it wakes up. When the laptop is shut down in tablet mode, the digitizer is off, BUT they do keep the keyboard on in that mode.

Does this only work on the new devices? Does this work on the Probook 435 for example?
Title: Re: HP Spectre x360 14 Convertible Review: An Instant Favorite
Post by: vertigo on December 27, 2020, 19:23:43
Quote from: dadankboi on December 26, 2020, 23:40:36
Quote from: S.Yu on December 26, 2020, 23:21:29
Interesting, I just checked HP US a few days ago and the OLED option wasn't available, not greyed out but not even shown as an option.
The advantage of OLED is primarily the contrast. Even a VGA video would look a notch better than on a regular screen. 3000x2000 isn't even needed at this size, honestly.
7hrs light use is worse than the battery size would suggest though.
Overall the price is still good. HP may possibly be the only manufacturer in the PC market that reports prices I consider reasonable without flash sales or deals from unofficial channels. There are cheaper alternatives of course but the really ugly ones or those that look flimsy at a glance like barebones I just plainly ignore.
I just noticed that on HP's website. That's interesting. I didn't purchase the device on from HP directly though. I got it from Best Buy, since it was at a lower price. What HP does is that instead of showing that a certain config or part is out of stock, they just remove it from their website. I have no idea why they would do this, since it tells the customer that they might have discontinued that specific config, which isn't true.

That's not been my experience. Over the past couple months, I've checked HP's website numerous times, and every time pretty much everything has been out of stock.
Title: Re: HP Spectre x360 14 Convertible Review: An Instant Favorite
Post by: Joe Smith on December 27, 2020, 21:07:26
Quote from: Mothertrucker19 on December 27, 2020, 17:45:38
Quote from: Joe Smith on December 24, 2020, 15:25:12
Quote from: Handy on December 24, 2020, 12:55:04
Does the power button on the keyboard work, if it is in tablet or tent mode?

(This is at least an issue on this years Envy x360 13" where the power button is also builtin the keyboard. But in tent and tablet mode the keyboard incl. power button is disabled, so one need to fold it back to power it on or wake it from standby. HP knows about the issue, but for the Envys HP did not release a fix.)

Though the power button on the keyboard doesn't work, HP does keep the digitizer on the display on, meaning that if the laptop is sleeping in tablet mode, then with just a tap of the display, it wakes up. When the laptop is shut down in tablet mode, the digitizer is off, BUT they do keep the keyboard on in that mode.

Does this only work on the new devices? Does this work on the Probook 435 for example?
I'm not completely sure, since I have only experienced it on the Spectre and Envy series. Since the Probook is a higher premium line than the Spectre, aimed at business professionals, my assumption is that they do have that feature as well, but I'm not completely sure.
Title: Re: HP Spectre x360 14 Convertible Review: An Instant Favorite
Post by: marketingbs on December 28, 2020, 19:23:49
Quote from: dadankboi on December 25, 2020, 18:35:19
I got the OLED spectre x360 14, and my thoughts on it so far are that first off, the display is literally the best. It does use PWM, but it's at 240 hz under 30% brightness, and above that, I don't notice it.
The odds are it's agressive low 240Hz below 99%.
Title: Re: HP Spectre x360 14 Convertible Review: An Instant Favorite
Post by: Grey Vic on December 30, 2020, 15:59:26
Thanks for this. Please what's the VRAM of this laptop? Under the display adaptive properties. Thanks a lot
Title: Re: HP Spectre x360 14 Convertible Review: An Instant Favorite
Post by: Joe Smith on December 30, 2020, 19:04:37
Quote from: Grey Vic on December 30, 2020, 15:59:26
Thanks for this. Please what's the VRAM of this laptop? Under the display adaptive properties. Thanks a lot
Since Intel integrated graphics used shared memory, the amount of RAM available to the GPU depends on the amount of RAM available to the system. It currently has 0MB of dedicated VRAM, but it has around 8GB of shared memory.
Title: Re: HP Spectre x360 14 Convertible Review: An Instant Favorite
Post by: smh on January 01, 2021, 16:13:05
It's quite impressive what Intel can do with only four cores, getting over 2000 pts in Cinebench, which is almost matching what AMD can do with 6, and yes, both of them are running at 25W (The Envy x360 13 runs at 25W, and this Spectre cycles between 30 and 20, averaging 25). If only Intel increased the number of cores in their mobile U series chips, then AMD could be in trouble, since Intel's graphics are already more powerful. But right now, it seems that AMD has a leg up, since their R7 4700U (this chip's main competitor. 4800U is 1185G7's competitor), has 8 cores and 8 threads, and because of that, its Cinebench score is around 2400, which wrecks Intel.
Title: Re: HP Spectre x360 14 Convertible Review: An Instant Favorite
Post by: JRNY on January 11, 2021, 06:30:20
Just received delivery of my HP Spectre x360 14t.  My config is the Core i5, 256GB SSD, 16GB RAM, 1000nit IPS panel with integrated Privacy Screen. Something that bothers me about this specific display panel are the very bad viewing angles whilst the privacy screen turned OFF. With the privacy screen ENABLED, it's supposed to darken areas of the screen so it makes it hard for prying eyes next to you to see the contents of your screen. But with the privacy screen disabled, you can still notice dark areas on the screen or a fading effect like a gradient effect (colors going from white to grey) when you SLIGHTLY move your viewing angle from the center of the screen to a few degrees over to the left, right, top or bottom of the screen.  In other words, if you're looking at the screen at dead center, tilt the screen toward you or away from you about 1-inch or so. Or sit 2-3 inches off center of the screen. It's very noticeable on lighter screens such as white colored backgrounds of webpages (i.e. homepage of Google), or Word, Excel, etc. It may not bother many people but it certainly bothers me and it's not a pleasing experience.  I would much rather go with the non-privacy screen 400nit display model and purchase a removable privacy screen filter and attach it to my screen when I need to do some private work in public places.  The other issue I noticed on my specific unit, there seems to be a slight bulge that can be felt on the bottom center of the laptop just below the air vent grille. It seems a little high for it to be the battery but that's what it feels like, a battery bulge. Maybe it's just my unit but I didn't notice it while I was using the laptop to drain the battery. But noticed it while I was charging it.
Title: Re: HP Spectre x360 14 Convertible Review: An Instant Favorite
Post by: S.Yu on January 11, 2021, 23:48:49
Quote from: JRNY on January 11, 2021, 06:30:20
Just received delivery of my HP Spectre x360 14t.  My config is the Core i5, 256GB SSD, 16GB RAM, 1000nit IPS panel with integrated Privacy Screen. Something that bothers me about this specific display panel are the very bad viewing angles whilst the privacy screen turned OFF. With the privacy screen ENABLED, it's supposed to darken areas of the screen so it makes it hard for prying eyes next to you to see the contents of your screen. But with the privacy screen disabled, you can still notice dark areas on the screen or a fading effect like a gradient effect (colors going from white to grey) when you SLIGHTLY move your viewing angle from the center of the screen to a few degrees over to the left, right, top or bottom of the screen.  In other words, if you're looking at the screen at dead center, tilt the screen toward you or away from you about 1-inch or so. Or sit 2-3 inches off center of the screen. It's very noticeable on lighter screens such as white colored backgrounds of webpages (i.e. homepage of Google), or Word, Excel, etc. It may not bother many people but it certainly bothers me and it's not a pleasing experience.  I would much rather go with the non-privacy screen 400nit display model and purchase a removable privacy screen filter and attach it to my screen when I need to do some private work in public places.  The other issue I noticed on my specific unit, there seems to be a slight bulge that can be felt on the bottom center of the laptop just below the air vent grille. It seems a little high for it to be the battery but that's what it feels like, a battery bulge. Maybe it's just my unit but I didn't notice it while I was using the laptop to drain the battery. But noticed it while I was charging it.
I'm wary of privacy screens for that very reason, it seems this is currently where the technology is at, it's far from perfect and severely compromises viewing angle. The screen itself is probably less efficient too.
Title: Re: HP Spectre x360 14 Convertible Review: An Instant Favorite
Post by: Greg on January 22, 2021, 18:15:47
Hello.
I just received this same model machine today and am shocked at how bad the viewing angles are. Researching this issue online I found that the screen behaves exactly like one with a Sure View option even though I am certain it didn't come with it. Is there any way you can check the screen viewing angles on this laptop again? I've seen others writing online with the same exact problem.
Thanks.
Title: Re: HP Spectre x360 14 Convertible Review: An Instant Favorite
Post by: RyzenFanBoisSmh on January 24, 2021, 17:24:29
Quote from: Greg on January 22, 2021, 18:15:47
Hello.
I just received this same model machine today and am shocked at how bad the viewing angles are. Researching this issue online I found that the screen behaves exactly like one with a Sure View option even though I am certain it didn't come with it. Is there any way you can check the screen viewing angles on this laptop again? I've seen others writing online with the same exact problem.
Thanks.
I just got my laptop yesterday (i7, 512GB ssd, 16GB ram, IPS 1280p (non-sureview)) and the viewing angles are up to my expectations, and don't seem bad at all. I think there was a problem with the first batch of laptops, but I don't know for sure. (Kind of like the Dell XPS 15 touchpad problem with the first batch). I received my laptop yesterday, so I doubt that it was of the first batch, and probably was the third or fourth batch, so I think that problem is gone. You should probably get in touch with HP support, because it's probably a defective unit, but I don't know completely.
Title: Re: HP Spectre x360 14 Convertible Review: An Instant Favorite
Post by: John Smith on January 31, 2021, 19:06:18
Here's some much more in-depth info about the cycling behavior with the power limits I posted on another website. It should be similar to the Spectre x360 14, but this is the 13. Note that there is a BIOS update for the 13 which causes the clocks not to fluctuate while gaming.

I have the Spectre x360 13 tiger lake i7, and I also do note this cycling behavior, but it is at higher power limits and temperatures. In performance mode, the PL1 when temperatures are low is 29.5W, which is a bit higher than the XPS. When initiating a stress test, the temperatures skyrocket to 100, and sit there, while the CPU continues to draw 35-40W. Then, the turbo time limit is up, and it drops to 29.5W in 15 seconds after sitting at 100 degrees. At 29.5W, the temperatures are at around 85-90 degrees, and it sits there for a little bit, and then starts dropping, .5W every second, until it reaches 20W. At 20W, temperatures are around 70 degrees, and then after around 10 seconds or so at 20W, it starts increasing, once again at .5W per second, until reaching 29.5W. Then, the temperatures are a little lower, but still over the 80 degree mark.  It sits at 19.5 W for 15 seconds and then drops back down to 20W. During this time, the fans are running at max speed and do not fluctuate. In balanced mode, the PL1 is 18W and drops to 14W, with temperatures in the 60 degree range.
NOTE: When gaming, for my Spectre, the power limits do NOT cycle. It sits at 29.5W constantly (temperatures around 80) and does not decrease to 20W. The GPU clock is at max frequency all the time (1300 MHz) and CPU is at 4 GHz. The frame rates do not cycle, and stay consistent.
Honestly, I see HP's approach to dynamic tuning as much better than Dell's. Not only did they use a triple heat pipe design (two leading to fans and one for passive cooling), compared to one for the XPS, but they also kept power limits higher and when gaming, the power limits do NOT cycle, which is good for gamers.
Title: Re: HP Spectre x360 14 Convertible Review: An Instant Favorite
Post by: lazerdriver on February 24, 2021, 23:24:12
Just got this a week ago. Like it mostly except for a few quirks.

Ran the CrystalDiskMark and my numbers for Seq both R and W are about 1/2 what they got in the article. And my read for Seq Q32T1 is lower by 1000 mb/s (2400 mb/s instead of 3500mb/s) and my write is 1600 mb/s compared to the article's 3000mb/s. Using all the same parameters as in the review.

This is the version with the Intel SSD w/32gb Octane (got at Best Buy on sale). I confimed I am in High Peformance mode. Is the difference due to the reviewers having  NVMe?
Title: Re: HP Spectre x360 14 Convertible Review: An Instant Favorite
Post by: Hale on April 16, 2021, 07:01:20
Again, a yellowish article.
- The main problem with Spectre is that in many regions it is not offered without SureView screen filter, which destroys colors, limits gamut and brightness even in OFF-state.
Nothing is told about that problem. Seems like the author was offered a custom-made laptop without that freaking filter, and a brick of dollars.
- The problem with OLEDs is crazy flickering at very visible 60 Hz. Again, nothing is told about that.

That is not a testing/review, but merely an advertising paper!
Title: Re: HP Spectre x360 14 Convertible Review: An Instant Favorite
Post by: S.Yu on April 20, 2021, 19:47:59
Quote from: Hale on April 16, 2021, 07:01:20
Again, a yellowish article.
- The main problem with Spectre is that in many regions it is not offered without SureView screen filter, which destroys colors, limits gamut and brightness even in OFF-state.
Nothing is told about that problem. Seems like the author was offered a custom-made laptop without that freaking filter, and a brick of dollars.
- The problem with OLEDs is crazy flickering at very visible 60 Hz. Again, nothing is told about that.

That is not a testing/review, but merely an advertising paper!
That's very interesting, I've had the OLED model for a few days and while I'm quite sensitive to PWM I haven't noticed it yet.
Title: Re: HP Spectre x360 14 Convertible Review: An Instant Favorite
Post by: Jaime Irizarry on June 20, 2021, 01:32:45
Got mine (Model  1H9M0UA#ABA  with 16GB Ram 1TB SSD) 2 months ago in April 2021 at BestBuy.
I am VERY happy with my Oled Display with zero PWM issues and displaying amazing colors.
My unit's hinges are super sturdy and lid will not close by itself even at 45 degrees opened, so maybe HP fixed the issue described by reviewer.
Blessings :)