Our first in-house Ryzen 7 4800HS benchmarks are in and they show much of an advantage AMD has over Intel in terms of performance-per-watt with its 7 nm Zen 2 Renoir series.
https://www.notebookcheck.net/Rare-AMD-Ryzen-7-4800HS-runs-as-fast-as-some-10th-gen-Core-i9-10980HK-laptops-and-at-a-lower-TDP.492446.0.html
The part with "OEMs have been slow to adopt AMD Ryzen CPUs for their gaming laptops likely because to create such SKUs would require major internal changes to existing motherboards and software." isn't true.
IMO the biggest issues with AMD based laptops are the poor displays, bad thermals, weak GPU. And sometimes are shipped with (single channel) soldered RAM.
For better displays there's pretty much no internal change. I remember people changing and upgrading their displays 10-15 years ago in Thinkpads. If an individual have done this more than 10 years ago I bet there's no problem for big companies to do it nowadays.
The weak GPU and single channel RAM is to keep AMD based laptops as entry or mid range gaming laptops.
Keep in mind that OEMs have already released AMD based laptops with 3xxx CPUs and some of them have good reviews, Acer has a few models. It's not like they have to start from zero with AMD CPUs.
We all know the reason for poor performing AMD laptops.
From now on when I see Allen Ngo below an article title I will not read it. Besides poor journalism your credibility is gone.
QuoteFrom now on when I see Allen Ngo below an article title I will not read it. Besides poor journalism your credibility is gone.
Funny isn't it? You are not the only one. And it's not just about AMD vs Intel. The latest article about Chuwi's fail, where the failure is something that almost all, if not just plain ALL, manufacturers are doing, it's another example that makes you wonder about the reasons behind the existence of some articles.
But that's JMO.
Quote from: yuio on September 08, 2020, 09:38:53
The part with "OEMs have been slow to adopt AMD Ryzen CPUs for their gaming laptops likely because to create such SKUs would require major internal changes to existing motherboards and software." isn't true.
IMO the biggest issues with AMD based laptops are the poor displays, bad thermals, weak GPU. And sometimes are shipped with (single channel) soldered RAM.
For better displays there's pretty much no internal change. I remember people changing and upgrading their displays 10-15 years ago in Thinkpads. If an individual have done this more than 10 years ago I bet there's no problem for big companies to do it nowadays.
The weak GPU and single channel RAM is to keep AMD based laptops as entry or mid range gaming laptops.
Keep in mind that OEMs have already released AMD based laptops with 3xxx CPUs and some of them have good reviews, Acer has a few models. It's not like they have to start from zero with AMD CPUs.
We all know the reason for poor performing AMD laptops.
From now on when I see Allen Ngo below an article title I will not read it. Besides poor journalism your credibility is gone.
The issues you mentioned for AMD laptops are purely down to OEM's.
First of all, who CREATES AMD based laptops?
OEM's do.
OEM's are also responsible for low quality screens, bad thermals and shipping them with single-channel RAM (or soldered with inability to upgrade).
As for having weak GPUs'... not the case really. AMD had strong enough offerings for a long time in laptops, but OEM's never bothered using them.
AMD has little to no say in how OEM's design a unit.
AMD can work with OEM's to improve support yes, but ultimately, the execution of a unit rests solely on the OEM.
The 4000 series chips are finally getting AMD some love in the better builds, better screens, etc. category... but there is a decade long stigma with AMD being 'the low end, also ran' machine so a lot of designers fall into that habit without realizing the game has changed. Also Intel carries a lot of weight and even having AMD on par with Intel wouldn't give companies incentive to make top end AMD products that compete head to head with intel for fear or upsetting their intel supply chain and pricing. Its taken AMD being clearly superior and cheaper at the same time to make any company take that leap... and the lack of thunderbolt 3 or higher than 2060 GPUs still prevents them from ruling the roost. At least so far.
Indeed, because of terrible articles jutted out by Allen Ngo I have stopped reading Notebookcheck altogether!
It is a big shame.