The apparent prices and release dates for the PlayStation 5 Blu-ray model, PlayStation 5 Digital Edition, Xbox Series X, and Xbox Series S have been shared online. The source of the information claims the details are "more than a rumor or speculation". If accurate, the Xbox Series consoles will hold a strong position against the PS5 hardware, especially with brand-blind shoppers.
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Microsoft would be shooting themselves in the foot of they allowed a 399€ PS5 DE go unresponded by the Series X, especially with such a poor launch lineup in the games front.
Even I, that have been gaming on Xboxes would seriously consider getting the PS5 DE just for the exclusives.
That's the point of the Xbox series s, and it's $100 cheaper than the ps5 de
I doubt Microsoft is selling a new gen console for $299. No sense in buying a new Xbox since Microsoft feels the need to hold back devs. Making devs have games run on newer console n previous means that the version on the series s and x will only be upscaled. Ps5 better for devs since they dont need to hold back on newer games
Those who always claiming about Xbox beyond everything PlayStation has (except worldwide sales) are only westerners. Meanwhile, PlayStation (and Nintendo) had always been brand of gaming entertainment since 90s for most of Asian countries. There are a lot of interesting exclusive titles that PlayStation and Nintendo offers. Even though in this pandemic situation, asian gamers that majorly are PC gamers most likely go for PlayStation and Nintendo for their choice of console.
Quote from: Umm... on August 19, 2020, 07:38:18
That's the point of the Xbox series s, and it's $100 cheaper than the ps5 de
The Series S is a far more constrained device than the Series X (less powerful GPU and reduced target resolutions/fidelity), while the PS5 DE is a full blown PS5 just without the Bluray drive. The Series S is great to get to a cheaper price point than the PS5, but not a replacement for the digital-only Series X.
Furthermore, where I live all Xboxes end-up in the bargain bin very quickly. I got my One S just a few months after launch at 189€ with *TWO* games included in the price: FH3 (has the Hot-wheels expansion) and GoW4. So far, Microsoft hasn't quite delivered on the launch games, so by the time we'll get something nice to play the Series X would be much cheaper around here (assuming the COVID situation gets sorted and there's some pricing normalcy once again).
I kid you not, if there is the PS5 DE at 399€ but no Series X at that price, then I will very gladly jump ship and get the PS5 DE at launch just to play all the exclusives that I have been missing-out from the PS4/PS3 era (Uncharted, Last of Us, and Horizon Zero Down look like great games that are now really cheap to buy -- so great for me that was playing just on Xbox). I do want to upgrade my One S, but Microsoft shouldn't just take for granted the gamers that have endured their dry-spells over the years: Xbox 360 was amazing, no need to reinvent the wheel, just reproduce the Xbox 360 formula with the Series X.
I am so getting PS5 because there are some games that are not available on PC such as God of War series and others.
That's why I don't need XBOX Series X since PC will have those games available on it. So, why bother ? And PC can upgrade easily! For me, PS5 all the way since PS3 and PS4!
Ummm, this has got to be a joke, no way Xbox can let that PS5 DE at 399$ go uncountered. If MS really do that, it is the end for Xbox this generation.
That is if the source is true, although i doubt even Sony or MS has the concrete price to tell them at the moment.
$299 sounds good but I'm like everyone else, for an extra hundred bucks I'd probably get a ps5 de so I could play a few exclusives. I'll probably be getting a series x as well because I also like Microsoft's games. Don't have a gaming PC and don't really want to build one for the same price as both of these consoles. I can have a ps5 and an Xbox series x for $900 and play all of the games I'm interested in. I still have my windows PC and Chromebook for work and other tasks. I'm also running stadia on my Chromebook and will be checking out the xcloud on my older PC. If cloud gaming from Microsoft is as good or better than stadia I just might not buy anything at all. 100 games to start on a streaming service for $14.99 a month isn't bad at all considering I'll be paying for Xbox live anyway. I've got stadia for the free games they have every month for their pro version of which there are some really fun games for 10 bucks a month. We'll just have to wait and see what the prices really are. Never know, Microsoft might just take a big hit on the hardware and surprise everyone with a great price on the x, after all they make most of their money from live.
Whoever wrote this article did not seem to get the huge difference in mindshare between the two consoles. The place where I live people call any console as 'playstation'. Series S is an excellent offering at $299 but the decision to prefer it over $100 more PS5 DE completely lies on the factor of games. Gamepass is a great push from Microsoft side to buy their consoles but still not enough to compete with AAA exclusives and system sellers that Playstation puts. However Series X is going to be interesting as people may give preference to power but I don't think there is a huge difference.
Lol, this article is on drugs if it thinks the pricing of the full fledged consoles is a good thing for MS.
Sure, they'll sell some series S to some schlub who doesn't care about gaming, and apparently this is where MS wants to win the war, but that's only because they truly care about subs over anything else.
Sony still is focused on pushing this next generation ahead, while MS couldn't care less as long as you own SOME kind of Xbox, this generation or last.
The mere fact that one can purchase the diskless PS5 for $100 less than the series X is a HUGE win for Sony if true.
This whole "perceived faster" bs is coming more and more to a head, and it really seems to be paper stats VS higher level engineering. Series X has numbers on paper, but PS5 not only seems to have superior architecture, but clearly a different mindset when you look at the games.
Sony has a clear intention of driving the next generation with next gen defining graphics straight out of the gate. MS however, seems content with graphics that hold the new consoles back in a weird attempt to keep previous gen consoles viable. It can be seen in nearly every game reveal they've made. Everything is "games as a service", and as long as you sub Game Pass they couldn't care less what console you buy.
From a traditional sense, it feels like Sony has already won this generation. MS is banking on subs over sales... We will see if that mindset does translate to dollars in their pocket, but it's very clear to me which console actually innovates and betters gaming for the end user. Apparently you'll be able to snag one sans disk for $100 less than the competition this fall.
Quote from: Umm... on August 19, 2020, 07:38:18
That's the point of the Xbox series s, and it's $100 cheaper than the ps5 de
Yes, let's all buy Xbox series S, the console that is less powerful than PS4 Pro or One X and pretend that we bought the direct competition to the disk less PS5.
Oh well, at least you're proving that MS does in fact have a market for the Series S -- the wildly uninformed peasant gamer.
There's no incentive for anyone with a half decent pc to get an Xbox at this point. Every single game will be available, and lots of big titles are accessible via Game Pass. There are no features that the Series X/S will have that won't also be fully integrated on PC. I'm hoping these "brand blind" shoppers are aware of that.
Quote from: Sandeep on August 19, 2020, 15:24:29
Whoever wrote this article did not seem to get the huge difference in mindshare between the two consoles. The place where I live people call any console as 'playstation'. Series S is an excellent offering at $299 but the decision to prefer it over $100 more PS5 DE completely lies on the factor of games.
It's just like that in Portugal, hence why Xboxes were usually found discounted next to bargain bins, and the store isles are pitifully small compared to the PlayStation ones (also why digital-only became a non-issue for me; that's the best way to purchase Xbox games here).
In practical "real-world" terms, I have grown seeing Playstations cost more than Xboxes. There is no way I would pay more for a Series X when I could have a PS5 DE for 100€ less. Similarly, there is no way I would get the inferior Series S when I could get a PS5 DE for 100€ more.
This should be especially troubling when factoring into the equation that I am an Xbox gamer ever since the original Xbox. After the botched launch of the Xbox One, I had really high hopes for the Series X -- launch games are already shaky, do not screw everything up "permanently" on pricing like already done on the Xbox One launch. Xbox 360 was the golden age, I would try to mimic that magic in 2020 (i.e., aggressively priced hardware that was the last true competitor of a Playstation).
Quote from: Xiro on August 19, 2020, 15:42:54
There's no incentive for anyone with a half decent pc to get an Xbox at this point. Every single game will be available, and lots of big titles are accessible via Game Pass. There are no features that the Series X/S will have that won't also be fully integrated on PC. I'm hoping these "brand blind" shoppers are aware of that.
Ok first off lets be honest here "brand blind" shoppers are not likely to have a powerful pc and they are more concerned with price so with that being said a next gen console is definitely the way to go. I can't see the people in question here knowing how to build a pc so there option would be to buy something and considering that next generation consoles will be around $500 making them far cheaper then any pc that could output 4K it the way to go for them. Im not looking anything up here but I can't imagine you can buy a pc thats 4K for anything less than $1,000 but more likely $1,500 and and brand blind people are not going to spend two to three times more on something for the same experience.
Where I come from everyone has an Xbox or a PC except if you're 10 then you have Nintendo. If you make it cheaper then more people will buy it that's the way it works. Unless you just have to have a Sony exclusive or you're just plain dumb.
It's always about games and never about the consoles horsepower. Sony tends to have better game titles very much like PS4 and I don't see any reason to go for Xbox if there is no compelling game titles. As simple as that.
Where I live, the majority of games played and sold are games that are playable on both consoles. The only exclusive games I've seen on sale are god of war and halo. So it all comes down to which controller feels best and personally, I prefer the ergonomics of the Xbox controllers. Plus more and more multiplayer games are becoming cross play so you don't have to choose if you want to play with your friends who are on other consoles.
Easy choice for me to go with
PlayStation. I want games that aren't held back by the previous generation. I mean seriously developing games that must run on the ORIGINAL XBOX ONE. That's insane.
Also to the xboxers who say PS4 exclusives looked great. They are. I jumped ship and have loved my console immensely. Though I mostly play rocket league nowadays omfg and metro exodus (amazing af if you haven't tried it). So I guess those are crossplat anyway...still.
I hate these articles. When it starts with 'allegedly leaked' - how can this be news worthy? Or when the article starts and says it not confirmed later in the article. If you can't report facts, then don't report.
I don't care if the Xbox is $99 I'm not buying one. I'll stick with the platform with the stronger game exclusives and that is Sony.
I will buy the xbox X and the cheaper Sony for the select game titles. This price war works out good for me so I hope it's true.
I guess releasing a less powerful Xbox is cool for the price but when Sony has a 100 dollar less digital edition that doesn't skimp on power, I don't see why anyone would get the Xbox series S. If you want both you could get both for about a grand when it's said and done or if you have a pc just get a ps5. I don't see any reason to get an Xbox right now. It'll be a good buy in about a year but not at launch.
@Noah Actually, if the Series X matched the rumored PS5 DE price, one could argue that for the price of a single upgrade to an RX5700 XT card you're getting the full package (8-core Ryzen, 16GB RAM, 1TB NVMe SSD, motherboard, PSU, case, gamepad, ...). That value argument didn't go unnoticed in my purchase planning, as is the reason why the PS5 DE edges the Xboxes within this pricing scheme (even if those nextgen games are yet to arrive). Things would change dramatically if the Series X price-matched the PS5 DE, only because I am already inside the Xbox ecosystem and would immediately benefit from the upgrade (the One S is just barely keeping up this generation).
@ScottJ For some reason the Xbox controller is so underrated by the general public, but was indeed one of the main reasons I chose the One S over the PS4 Slim. The ergonomics are just phenomenal, and I really enjoy the fact it uses regular AA rechargeable batteries -- I always have fully charged spares and have the peace of mind that my controller's life won't be dictated by the internal battery charging cycles. Brilliant!
Ps fan boys are gonna hate. But the Xbox series x is so much stronger than the ps5 its not even worth it for Sony to release it. It doesn't run 4k(it doesn't. Ive tested it) the ps5 is using split rdna1 and 2 while series x is all rdna 2. Ps5 will be another epic failure like the ps4. They will re release it as a PRO version later allegedly with better performance but that is unlikely as they didn't fix anything with the ps4 pro either.. upscale 4k is not NATIVE. As a tester I can solidly say the ps5 is not worth the money at all. I'll get one simply for the exclusives but I get sweet prices . If I was made to pay full price I wouldn't even consider putting one in my house. As far as consoles go though XBOX has always had the superior system. But any real gamer knows PC is better than both lol. Which brings me to one final point. Microsoft windows Microsoft XBOX. Compatibility is phenomenal and buying a disc game and being able to play it from my laptop 3 provinces away..thats an enormous advantage to the PS vs XBOX things. I hate to say it but sonys fucked. Should have stuck to making TVs and walkmans(which they are good at)
Quote from: Dan Smith on August 20, 2020, 17:53:52
Ps fan boys are gonna hate. But the Xbox series x is so much stronger than the ps5 its not even worth it for Sony to release it. It doesn't run 4k(it doesn't. Ive tested it) the ps5 is using split rdna1 and 2 while series x is all rdna 2. Ps5 will be another epic failure like the ps4. They will re release it as a PRO version later allegedly with better performance but that is unlikely as they didn't fix anything with the ps4 pro either.. upscale 4k is not NATIVE. As a tester I can solidly say the ps5 is not worth the money at all. I'll get one simply for the exclusives but I get sweet prices . If I was made to pay full price I wouldn't even consider putting one in my house. As far as consoles go though XBOX has always had the superior system. But any real gamer knows PC is better than both lol. Which brings me to one final point. Microsoft windows Microsoft XBOX. Compatibility is phenomenal and buying a disc game and being able to play it from my laptop 3 provinces away..thats an enormous advantage to the PS vs XBOX things. I hate to say it but sonys fucked. Should have stuck to making TVs and walkmans(which they are good at)
Dusk Golem, is that you?
It's the internet, you can say you are Bill Gates and no one will give a f*ck. All people care about are proofs. Care to show us a game that is running on the actual XSX instead of just spouting nonsense? Even Ms admitted that Halo gameplay reveal was indeed ran on a PC with "similar specs". And none other game was specified to run on XSX either.
Isn't this the same person who has been wrong pretty much every time he posts up a "leak"? Why is this guy still relevant? 🤔
the problem is when he/she/it says "ps5 will be an epic failure like ps4 was" it destroys any and all credibility that he/she/it even hoped to have. its at that point that the comment becomes simple garden variety douchebaggery that really has no merit- just an emotional outburst. gonna need he/she/it and their ilk to go ahead and get covid and just leave it untreated. the world wont lose anything.
I got a laptop two months ago with the same hardware these systems have and they still aren't out yet. Im gonna say it, cause that's what it is. Counsels are just economy gaming computers. PC rules and counsels drool!
What a nonsense, or people are really ...uhm, dumb?
XSS + Game Pass = $299 + $100(?) per year for like 150 games
- so for the price of a PS5 DE alone...you get an Xbox and lots of games (including all future titles), and can stream XSX quality later on via xCloud...
PS5 DE + 1 Game = $399 + $80 for ONE(! f*cking) game
- you can be sure, digital editions of games will cost sh*tload of money comparable to retail and as more DE are sold, there will be less sales etc, since you locked yourself into their very own store. well done!
I honestly find that game writers seem to be pulling for straw so to speak. Then it seems no one wants to look at what MS is really doing. Nor Sony's major issue with PS5. For the most part a PC gaming computer is better than a series x but both consoles do have SSD that are custom and faster than any other SSD on the market. Sony's is impressive but also currently their downfall. The specs say the SSD is 825 GB, I can't help but wonder if the SSD is really 1TB and 175GB is for the UI and saved space for loading speeds of games. If not the PS5 is going to turn people away quickly. I dont understand why people aren't talking about this more but Sony doesn't have additional storage options at this time... usb 3 devices don't work with PS5 games, there are zero SSD with 5gb read speed currently, and they are working on getting cloud service support from MS chances are for the first year you will only be able to play 4 games at any time on PS5 DE. MS has two options currently a external SSD designed for series x and xcloud with game pass ultimate and SSDs will catch up to series x sooner. There really is only two reasons to buy PS5 for VR and the exclusives they have. MS honestly has bridged the gap between Switch and consoles with their partnership with Samsung. Only instead of down graded games like you had on Vita and PSP and switch they have made it so you can play full games. If you get a Note 10 plus (or any plus android) you have a bigger screen than the Switch with the controllers you can get now getting a Series X opens new doors that PS can't match. As far as pricing goes the only actual leaks have series x at $599 and Xbox one S V2 (which is believed to be the series S) at $299. The only PS leak for price was from a French Amazon site that had PS5 at $549 and PS5 DE at $487 converted. Honestly Bloomberg reported it costs $450 to make the PS5 (no indication if that is DE or Disk) if disk than $499 is a reasonable expection but since the drive only costs $25-35 dollars there is no way $399 for DE is likely usually DE is only $50 less so $450 is reason to expect. But l read recently I think from Frobes that series x chip cost $500 to make and both chips are similar so that Bloomberg $450 could just be the chip. I honestly don't know nor can anyone but Sony and MS say they do other than AMD. PS3 3D audio is actually not new but they have improved it and call it Pulse 3D audio which only works with what is likely to be $159+ new headphones. But until ray tracing audio can be compared to Pulse 3D no one knows which is better. While the 60fps rumor was fake devs have said the PS5 struggles with 120fps and that series x doesn't running the same game. If the Xbox one S v2 is the series s than honestly MS is putting this out in order to make next gen somewhat more available to people who may not want to spend $599 or even $499 for a console. The person who said it would have less power than the ps4 pro clearly does know the PS4 pros specs nor the Series S rumored specs... the series chip is in the rumored S with a SSD rather than the HD in the pro or one x and the PS4 pro only does 4tereflops the same as the series s rumor... so there is no way a device with a at least 10x more powerful chip better storage drive and equal computing is less powerful and is likely more capable than the one x also. But what I find really interesting is the developers notes that they get the Lockhart name from would suggest that there are three systems not just two coming for xbox. I say this because it reads. xbox one s: default xbox one x: default, One S mode. Project Scarlet: default, Anaconda, and Lockhart. For xbox one default is clearly the system profile S or X respectively. So the default by Scarlet would suggest there are three not two systems coming so if the 299 Xbox One S V2 really is a second version of the Xbox One S then we know nothing about the Series S except that it exists. Most say Anaconda is the code name for the Series X this would mean the Series S would be the default. Is it possible MS will have a $299, $450, $599 line up whereas Sony will have a $550, $450 line up. I really think for those that don't buy the system online that people will turn away from the PS5 in the end simply because it is too big est dominions are 15" tall x 12" front the back x 3.5 to 4" wide thats almost the size of a compact PC tower. Maybe I'm the only person who cares about physical size and expandable storage and portable gaming....
Quote from: itseme on August 22, 2020, 17:33:54What a nonsense, or people are really ...uhm, dumb?
XSS + Game Pass = $299 + $100(?) per year for like 150 games
- so for the price of a PS5 DE alone...you get an Xbox and lots of games (including all future titles), and can stream XSX quality later on via xCloud...
PS5 DE + 1 Game = $399 + $80 for ONE(! f*cking) game
- you can be sure, digital editions of games will cost sh*tload of money comparable to retail and as more DE are sold, there will be less sales etc, since you locked yourself into their very own store. well done!
Yes, Playstation needs a Netflix like videogame service NOW... maybe they should name it Playstation NOW. /s
PS5 DE is a more powerful console than the Series S, while GamePass is a superior service than PS Now. At the end of the day the PS5 DE is the full-blown PS5 (without the Blu-ray drive), not an inferior alternative to the console you wanted to get (but couldn't afford). That is a very powerful marketing message that sells units -- couple that with the exclusive games and you'll quickly see that Microsoft is in trouble should this be the actual pricing scheme.
@Adaiah Not that I'm buying into the whole SSD hype put forward by Sony, but you have quite a few wrong points there. First, hardware-wise, there is nothing spectacular about the Series X SSD: there is no shortage of today's PCIe 3 NVMe drives that far outperform those Series X numbers -- in fact, those numbers look very near to a cheap QLC NVMe drive. In turn, the PS5 has something new and unseen in the PC world: performance in-line with the still unannounced future PCIe 4 Samsung 980 Evo drives. Will this difference in SSD speed be that importat for gaming? Probably not. But facts are still facts.
Furthermore, the PS5 does have internal storage expandability through an additional user-accessible m.2 slot. That is, once those standard Samsung 980 Evo drives are announced, you can expand the PS5 internal storage with those standard Samsung drives (and probably other SSDs from other brands that meet the same performance targets, as competition is a thing and that slot is very much standard -- unlike Microsoft's proprietary slot).
One thing we do agree on, pricing will be a deciding factor. But your arguments about storage are simply wrong.