After the ThinkPad T14s with the Intel Comet Lake processor, we also received the ThinkPad T14s with the AMD Ryzen 7 Pro 4750U processor. Our initial benchmarks show that the AMD CPU is much faster, despite similar power consumption figures.
https://www.notebookcheck.net/Lenovo-ThinkPad-T14s-AMD-Ryzen-7-Pro-4750U-leaves-Intel-in-the-dust.481489.0.html
Now let's see if it can get more than 87 points or not
I swear there is some f****g conspiracy here. ALL new Ryzen laptops everywhere are gimped in some intentional way. Most often with a crap screen or cheap chassis. Case in point; no Ryzen Lenovo laptops are available with 4k screens, yet intel variants are.
Yet the Ryzen chips are clearly way ahead compared to intel. Just look at the comparison here with the 15W CPU almost matching the Intel 45W+ in a 17" chassis. The intel CPUs are just terrible from a power/performance perspective.
Does intel bribe these manufacturers to intentionally limit Ryzen laptops?
Looking good! Can you test the Linux compatibility in your detailed review please?
Are they going to release Renoir X1 Carbon anytime soon? I want a powerful cpu in a premium hardware.
Quote from: Ayoh on July 16, 2020, 08:05:40
I swear there is some f****g conspiracy here. ALL new Ryzen laptops everywhere are gimped in some intentional way. Most often with a crap screen or cheap chassis. Case in point; no Ryzen Lenovo laptops are available with 4k screens, yet intel variants are.
Yet the Ryzen chips are clearly way ahead compared to intel. Just look at the comparison here with the 15W CPU almost matching the Intel 45W+ in a 17" chassis. The intel CPUs are just terrible from a power/performance perspective.
Does intel bribe these manufacturers to intentionally limit Ryzen laptops?
They likely do.
The price is indeed nice. The table with specifications gave me a pause. But given it lacks OS (while the Intel version comes with Windows), it's probably one of those Campus models for students. So, you're comparing apples with oranges. Seriously, IMHO, student pricing has no business here. It always annoyed me since you only do this with Lenovo (perhaps there were some exceptions, but mainly Lenovo). And you have the audacity to praise the low price. That most people can't get. This isn't a university magazine. Makes no sense to me.
Hi, both versions are Campus models. They tend to be available much sooner than standard retail models. We will obviously include the pricing for the regular counterparts in our reviews.
Quote from: Ayoh on July 16, 2020, 08:05:40
I swear there is some f****g conspiracy here. ALL new Ryzen laptops everywhere are gimped in some intentional way. Most often with a crap screen or cheap chassis. Case in point; no Ryzen Lenovo laptops are available with 4k screens, yet intel variants are.
Yet the Ryzen chips are clearly way ahead compared to intel. Just look at the comparison here with the 15W CPU almost matching the Intel 45W+ in a 17" chassis. The intel CPUs are just terrible from a power/performance perspective.
Does intel bribe these manufacturers to intentionally limit Ryzen laptops?
Perhaps. Or it's as simple as lack of confidence. Perhaps a combination of factors. OEMs make plenty of questionable decisions for systems with Intel processors as well. You'd have to ask the product manager behind closed doors. Also, "4k" screen in a 14"? I wouldn't want one even if it was a free option. Even if it was matte, which it isn't. However, there is no accounting for taste.
I just checked prices and I'm surprised how relatively cheap the screen is (relatively to the 400 nit FHD). On the other hand, the brighter FHD is €165 extra compared to the base 250 nit unit (at least for the Intel version). That stings. I though it used to be something like 50 or even less. And QHD was something like 400. Perhaps I'm confusing it with the X1 Extreme.
Quote from: Andreas Osthoff on July 16, 2020, 09:11:11
Hi, both versions are Campus models. They tend to be available much sooner than standard retail models. We will obviously include the pricing for the regular counterparts in our reviews.
I thought Campus models don't come with Windows. So, I can expect the retail version with 4750U, 32 GB RAM and 1 TB SSD to sell for similar price as 10210U, 8 GB RAM and 256 GB SSD? Four times the RAM, four times the storage for roughly the same price. That would be awesome.
Quote from: Tov on July 16, 2020, 08:40:15
Are they going to release Renoir X1 Carbon anytime soon? I want a powerful cpu in a premium hardware.
It wasn't in the road map. Perhaps next generation. Just get the T14s. It's close enough and even better in some ways. And be glad you have such a selection in 14" (the biggest of all sizes of ThinkPads).
Im not necessarily advocating for 4k on 14". A 2560p screen is mcuh better. However i would like a wide gamut 500nit screen for photo editing and that is only available as a 4k variant and only on the Intel models. This is the case for ALL Lenovo AMD laptops - the screen options are intentionally limited.
I think it was stupid of Lenovo to move from the 500nit wide gamut 2560p screen of the X1 gen 6 generation up to 4k in all the new 14" premium models. The old one was the perfect screen for the size
How did you get thinkpad without that malware called Windows 10?
When will you test T14amd?
Quote from: Ayoh on July 16, 2020, 08:05:40
I swear there is some f****g conspiracy here. ALL new Ryzen laptops everywhere are gimped in some intentional way. Most often with a crap screen or cheap chassis. Case in point; no Ryzen Lenovo laptops are available with 4k screens, yet intel variants are.
Yet the Ryzen chips are clearly way ahead compared to intel. Just look at the comparison here with the 15W CPU almost matching the Intel 45W+ in a 17" chassis. The intel CPUs are just terrible from a power/performance perspective.
Does intel bribe these manufacturers to intentionally limit Ryzen laptops?
No...AMD is just lazy and doesn't invest $ in partnerships with OEMs. They expect OEMs to do their work.
Quote from: Ayoh on July 16, 2020, 08:05:40
I swear there is some f****g conspiracy here. ALL new Ryzen laptops everywhere are gimped in some intentional way. Most often with a crap screen or cheap chassis. Case in point; no Ryzen Lenovo laptops are available with 4k screens, yet intel variants are.
Yet the Ryzen chips are clearly way ahead compared to intel. Just look at the comparison here with the 15W CPU almost matching the Intel 45W+ in a 17" chassis. The intel CPUs are just terrible from a power/performance perspective.
Does intel bribe these manufacturers to intentionally limit Ryzen laptops?
Yeah, i can't agree more! Have been thinking that there must be some sort of bribery by Intel :/
QuoteIf AMD can keep up, then the only real argument for the Intel model would be the Thunderbolt 3 support.
Big deal. That thunderbolt is 2 PCIe lanes crippled courtesy of Lenovo anyway.
Quote from: dfasdsad on July 16, 2020, 11:38:13
No...AMD is just lazy and doesn't invest $ in partnerships with OEMs. They expect OEMs to do their work.
Dell G5 15 Intel is fine.
Dell G5 15 SE features fantastic value with 4600H and 5600M but has mindblowing 199Hz PWM below 99% brightness.
Checkmate.
A joke right ?
4 times the memory ?
what is this ?
Quote from: dfasdsad on July 16, 2020, 11:38:13No...AMD is just lazy and doesn't invest $ in partnerships with OEMs. They expect OEMs to do their work.
Thank you for the good laugh. These AMD fanboys, expecting OEMs to do their work... don't they know AMD has to grease the wheels to get things going?
Just because bribery, kick-back, and general forms of corruption are fine where-ever you live, it doesn't mean the rest of the world shares your moral compass.
Quote from: shlomoa on July 16, 2020, 14:23:27
A joke right ?
4 times the memory ?
what is this ?
Notice that the Ryzen laptop with 32 GB of RAM costs the same as the Intel version with 8 GB. Shouldn't matter for the benches they ran here anyhow.
Hey Pable why so impatient? A T470 or so is way better for linux.
It takes some time to make thinkpads really good linux machines.
But if you want to spend hours on a brand new laptop just to get initial sickness out to run linux go for it
Quote from: thunderlalka on July 16, 2020, 14:03:10
QuoteIf AMD can keep up, then the only real argument for the Intel model would be the Thunderbolt 3 support.
Big deal. That thunderbolt is 2 PCIe lanes crippled courtesy of Lenovo anyway.
The 4x lanes direct to cpu is used by nvme ssd.
So, the choices are 2x direct to cpu or 4x via pch chipset.
Congratulations. The horribly biased article just got this site blocked from my google news feed.
Quote from: RocketPak on July 17, 2020, 08:32:35
Congratulations. The horribly biased article just got this site blocked from my google news feed.
How is it biased? If AMD just outperforms everyone else do you expect them to diminish the performance just so that it soothes you?
Quote from: Batuz on July 17, 2020, 10:55:04How is it biased? If AMD just outperforms everyone else do you expect them to diminish the performance just so that it soothes you?
There are some people that live in a bubble where pricing does not matter, only what the PR people of each company say is the right equivalent product.
Thus, their bubble bursts when they realize that a
similarly priced competing product can have much better specs and trounce the so-called "PR equivalent" of the other company.
Comparing apples and oranges.
Quote from: Robin12 on July 17, 2020, 16:32:05
Comparing apples and oranges.
It's two Thinkpad T14s that cost pretty much the same. Not totally different manufacturers or series, literally variants of the same model that cost the same. Kudos to NBc for not falling to the fallacy of comparing a much cheaper AMD configuration against a more expensive Intel one, price matters, and this is the leveled playing field.
Instead of asking Intel to bribe OEMs (like some guy down the comments), ask them to lower their prices.
Biased article? Apples vs. oranges? Wtf?
Why are these people so butt hurt/in denial that AMD chips are superior?
Fantastic investigation by the author. This is the most controlled comparison I've seen because the laptop chasis are the same. Numbers don't lie.
Quote from: RocketPak on July 17, 2020, 08:32:35
Congratulations. The horribly biased article just got this site blocked from my google news feed.
I wholeheartedly agree. Happy is the site that gets rid of snide commenters.
I immediately noticed the price parity and I guess that the memory or storage speeds don't have that much effect on CPU benchmarks. I just wish they'd make one single T series Thinkpad with 16:10, two DIMM slots, a display with >90 % sRGB and just any Ryzen, with good linux support thrown in.
Quote from: hey pablo on July 16, 2020, 23:51:02
A T470 or so is way better for linux.
Is there more info on this? I've been looking for this sweet spot for some time now. Guess it isn't at T495 yet anyway.
"You can expect the full review of the ThinkPad T14s Gen.1 AMD next week."
I suppose, that next week is the past already.
When full review will be posted ?
The 4750u turns out become 4650u at the same price. Either Lenovo fucked up or intel conspiracy works.