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Come on Lenovo.  Use the 500 nit screen from the Lenovo ThinkPad P1!

Why the best AMD configuration not getting 1660 Ti? Even Asus G14 can be equipped with RTX 2060 Max-Q

Yes, Lenovo, someone is definitely going to buy a 1650 Ti for $1739.

If the 7i is going to follow a similar pricing scheme, they won't sell a single Legion laptop this year.

While there are delays in implementing RTX 2070 or better cards with Ryzen 4000, there is no excuse for the limitation of up to a 1650Ti and the base model only having the hitler 66% sRGB 120Hz s*** PEE ESS panel.

They should just thicken the bezels and add the 120Hz TN panel with 94% NTSC, along with maxing out the SKU at an RTX 2060 90W, for at least a good mid ranger!

So the top of the line Legion 5 is speced out like a base model asus A15.  Other than screen brightness, anything else worth the $500-$700 additional green.    You can get a great 4k external monitor for $500.   Just saying.

when will OEMs be serious with Renoir?

OK,nvidia had promised RTX 2060 laptop with 999$,where it is?

So there won't be an AMD version with RTX 2060 at all? Or there is a chance it will be added later? If no is that mean that it's better to buy Intel version this year?

The OEMs behavior towards AMD Renoir processors just asking me to tell them one thing... it is "Go fk yourselves...".. Why they are keeping high end RTX 2070,2080 Gfx Intel exclusive... I really want to sue these OEMs in court...

Quote from: Yaroslav on May 01, 2020, 07:35:12
So there won't be an AMD version with RTX 2060 at all? Or there is a chance it will be added later? If no is that mean that it's better to buy Intel version this year?

There will be, at least for some of the regions, this will happen in the 2nd half of the year.

Quote from: Dharan on May 01, 2020, 09:37:12
The OEMs behavior towards AMD Renoir processors just asking me to tell them one thing... it is "Go fk yourselves...".. Why they are keeping high end RTX 2070,2080 Gfx Intel exclusive... I really want to sue these OEMs in court...

Intel has been dominating the high-end mobile CPU for decades and we all know how AMD 3rd gen mobile CPU performs last year. For OEM companies, they are uncertain whether the customers would like AMD CPUs. It makes sense for them to put AMD CPUs in the budget and mid-range lineups to test how the market reacts. I mean, it is way too risky to put it in their flagship lineup right away.

What? Are they lying now? They promised the base model for $759. Overpriced... Overpriced.....

Quote from: Rozin on May 01, 2020, 10:31:32
What? Are they lying now? They promised the base model for $759. Overpriced... Overpriced.....

Wait for the discounts, sales and e-coupons, Lenovo does that regularly.

Quote from: Aegis on May 01, 2020, 10:08:59
Intel has been dominating the high-end mobile CPU for decades and we all know how AMD 3rd gen mobile CPU performs last year. For OEM companies, they are uncertain whether the customers would like AMD CPUs. It makes sense for them to put AMD CPUs in the budget and mid-range lineups to test how the market reacts. I mean, it is way too risky to put it in their flagship lineup right away.

explain less options for amd and higher prices for intel in the same chassis :)

Quote from: william blake on May 01, 2020, 10:48:16
explain less options for amd and higher prices for intel in the same chassis :)

Fewer options: As I said, GTX 1660 Ti and RTX 2060 will be available in the 2nd half of this year, at least for some of the regions (e.g. Hong Kong).


Higher prices: No, it's not. The starting price of Legion 5 (AMD) is slightly cheaper than that of Legion 5i (Intel). Check the links again.

Hmmm interesting, in a lab for reviews, they received the lenovo legion 5 some time ago, with the rtx 2060, like in the lenovo's pdf press from January, but couldn't publish the review until the legion 5 hits the stores (1 more month).
But on the way it seems something (maybe team blue) made Lenovo to renounce at 2060 and put a low end 1650ti which is almost useless. Also the radeon 5500m beats it...

Quote from: Aegis on May 01, 2020, 10:53:35
Fewer options: As I said, GTX 1660 Ti and RTX 2060 will be available in the 2nd half of this year, at least for some of the regions (e.g. Hong Kong).

Higher prices: No, it's not. The starting price of Legion 5 (AMD) is slightly cheaper than that of Legion 5i (Intel). Check the links again.

have you seen other "links"? dozens and hundreds of them.
the whole market is selling renoir cpus cheaper and with less options than their comet lake siblings.
dont tell me oems are not sure and all that.
oems are insisting that renoir is much worse than comet lake. they says it to consumer.
i knows the truth. you knows the truth. every youtuber knows the truth. most of the forum members knows the truth.
what, you say average joe does not know the truth? yes, because hes following oems, who is lying.

William, it is pretty simple, and people must understand this: if Intel says to OEM X something and they don't do, than Intel will sell their cpus at a bigger price to OEM X, and than X can't stay  price Competitive with OEM X and Z.
No bribery, that was in the past, AMD showed that, won the law suits and Intel paid for it.
Now is very simple, just increase the cpu price if you pair amd with high gpu cards, good displays and finished. The ratio is OEMs sell 8 Intel laptops for 1 Amd.
People must understand and support the OEMs who are willing to pair amd with good pannels and high end gpu cards, and than the other OEMs will see they don't sell enaugh, so they will be forced to make a good amd laptop.

Quote from: william blake on May 01, 2020, 12:32:59
have you seen other "links"? dozens and hundreds of them.
the whole market is selling renoir cpus cheaper and with less options than their comet lake siblings.
dont tell me oems are not sure and all that.
oems are insisting that renoir is much worse than comet lake. they says it to consumer.
i knows the truth. you knows the truth. every youtuber knows the truth. most of the forum members knows the truth.
what, you say average joe does not know the truth? yes, because hes following oems, who is lying.

Apparently, you have no idea how business works and you didn't actually read my comment.

AMD used to have a bad reputation on mobile CPUs (until this year in fact). Many people stills believe that while some others stay modest until there are more reviews coming out. The OEM companies are uncertain whether their AMD lineup will sell well, so they put AMD CPUs in their budget and mid-range lineups to test how the market reacts.

In my opinion, this completely makes sense. Imagine what will happen if their AMD flagship lineups failed? How much money will they lose, comparing to their budget and mid-range AMD lineups? You may believe AMD CPUs are superior, but not every user thinks the same.

And BTW, the OEM companies didn't lie because they never promise anything in the first place.

Quote from: Aegis on May 01, 2020, 13:10:00

Quote from: william blake on May 01, 2020, 12:32:59
have you seen other "links"? dozens and hundreds of them.
the whole market is selling renoir cpus cheaper and with less options than their comet lake siblings.
dont tell me oems are not sure and all that.
oems are insisting that renoir is much worse than comet lake. they says it to consumer.
i knows the truth. you knows the truth. every youtuber knows the truth. most of the forum members knows the truth.
what, you say average joe does not know the truth? yes, because hes following oems, who is lying.

Apparently, you have no idea how business works and you didn't actually read my comment.

AMD used to have a bad reputation on mobile CPUs (until this year in fact). Many people stills believe that while some others stay modest until there are more reviews coming out. The OEM companies are uncertain whether their AMD lineup will sell well, so they put AMD CPUs in their budget and mid-range lineups to test how the market reacts.

In my opinion, this completely makes sense. Imagine what will happen if their AMD flagship lineups failed? How much money will they lose, comparing to their budget and mid-range AMD lineups? You may believe AMD CPUs are superior, but not every user thinks the same.

And BTW, the OEM companies didn't lie because they never promise anything in the first place.

Aegis what you are saying is half true.
Now I will speak facts and not the oems risks of using amd or not.
There are 2 lenovo legion 5 and 5i in some review labs. Both with rtx 2060. Lenovo changed their mind and will use with amd only 1650ti.
Acer Nitro last year used amd with rtx 2060. This year only wih crap 1650ti, knowing very well that ryzen 4000 is 90% better than previous generation.
You put all the facts together also with my previous posts and make a picture.
Cheers

Quote from: Aegis on May 01, 2020, 13:10:00
Apparently, you have no idea how business works and you didn't actually read my comment.

apparently, you change the subject because you can't answer a simple question-why different options for the same chassis. this does not require any development.
forget about flagships for a second.
regarding amd reputation and all that..in all the places over the internet intel mobile has a pretty bad reputation, heard about it? i think not.

Quote from: Padmakara on May 01, 2020, 13:30:43
There are 2 lenovo legion 5 and 5i in some review labs. Both with rtx 2060. Lenovo changed their mind and will use with amd only 1650ti.

Quote from: william blake on May 01, 2020, 14:08:49
apparently, you change the subject because you can't answer a simple question-why different options for the same chassis. this does not require any development

GTX1660Ti and RTX 2060 will be available to Legion 5 (AMD) in the 2nd half of this year, so eventually, Legion 5 and 5i will have the same options available, at least this is the case for some regions like Hong Kong as stated in the official Lenovo Hong Kong website. I cannot post a hyperlink here, so you have to search it yourself.

Also, William, who says it doesn't require developments? The entire motherboard itself has to be redesign due to change of chipset. Not to mention other considerations like thermals (AMD CPUs have a history of getting very hot), software and driver compatibility.

Just a note, if you go to Lenovo's configuration page, there seems to be an error in their pricing calculation.

Select every top option aside from windows 10 pro and the 1 TB ssd, pricing is at $1,309.99. This is for the 144hz panel, Ryzen 7 4800H, 1650ti.
Now add the 1 TB ssd and suddenly the price jumps to $1,709.99.
$200 + 1300 is not $1700...

Some angry commenters here, and I agree with the annoyance at OEMs for not including higher tier nvidia cards, but price wise, it looks like there's just some bad coding on that config page atm.

Quote from: Padmakara on May 01, 2020, 12:48:18
No bribery, that was in the past, AMD showed that, won the law suits and Intel paid for it.

it happened and keeps happening, a monopoly and its pocket oems. this is why this market is so different from phones and cars, for example.
it is one big stucture, not a bunch of competitors. this structure is able to sell hardware which was made 10 years ago, and using 20yo standards.
all that s*** like 16:9, 200 nits, hdd, is possible because of a monopolistic market. all of the oems are following the same rules, amd (under mrs su) is also the part of it, they are happy with 1/10 and not even trying. some media is a part of it and tells us "this comet lake has a good value and recommended".
all oem's are receiving money from the monopoly as long as they follows the rules. monopoly is making the money by selling overpriced s*** to the customers. can we call it bribing? no. just a money distribution, most of the money to the monopoly, the rest to the servants.
how about that? :)
(very sorry for bad english)

Quote from: Aegis on May 01, 2020, 14:30:48
GTX1660Ti and RTX 2060 will be available to Legion 5 (AMD) in the 2nd half of this year, so eventually, Legion 5 and 5i will have the same options available, at least this is the case for some regions like Hong Kong as stated in the official Lenovo Hong Kong website. I cannot post a hyperlink here, so you have to search it yourself.

Also, William, who says it doesn't require developments? The entire motherboard itself has to be redesign due to change of chipset. Not to mention other considerations like thermals (AMD CPUs have a history of getting very hot), software and driver compatibility.

1. as i said already, different specs and options is a common thing for the market.
2. redesign the board is nothing for a billion dollar company.
3. reputation? what is that? they are not a forum noobs, they had all the samples on hands at the stage of developement.
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i understand your point about top tier books, they are not so mass production so why even bother
but other questions remains

Please note, I just confirmed that the calculation for the customization, and it
is incorrect!! When you upgraded from 128 GB SSD to 1TB SSD, it is $200 cost, however, the cost actually jumped $400, which makes it incredibly expensive!! This is quite horrible mistake. Hope they fix it soon before people fall in the trap!

non of them include subwoofer , or great speakers... deal breaker for me.
a flagship laptop with not the best speakers available it pure garbage to me.
and no I never use headsets.

Quote15.6" FHD (1920 x 1080) IPS, anti-glare, 250 nits, 120Hz
15.6" FHD (1920 x 1080) IPS, anti-glare, 300 nits, 60Hz

60Hz costs $40 extra compared to 120Hz

Knowing Lenovo's trash screens, that 120Hz screen is probably pretty bad.

It is kind of hilarious how Lenovo forces to choose extra $50 option for better GPU. For upgrade from 1650 to 1650 Ti.
And after that effort consumber still will get below average GPU.

Why are is rubbishing these high efficienct 7nm chips AMD chips which consumes less wattage for more power with some more or less temperatures compared to the dated 14nm +++++++++. Very inefficient Intel chips which drinks power so much and runs very toasty even on a beefy laptop cooling setups! Whyyy? Can't these Amd laptops have these high end Nvidia Gpu's?

laptop too expensive lying the price at the first place before release and very few options to choose from who will buy this laptop lol

What? Why is everything stated here different from Lenovo's press release and their website? From what I've read the base model costs $759, and the max config is equipped with an RTX 2060. In my country it's not available yet but the specs they provided in their website states that it is possible to configure it with a 2060. However, I checked the US website and apparently yes, you can only have a 1650 Ti max, so probably it's a region thing or the 2060 model is not available yet in the US? This is confusing.

Check this link,
IN Great Britain GTX1660Ti and RTX2060 available in second half of 2020.