AMD says its new octa-core Ryzen 7 4800U will make no compromises in regards to processor and graphics performance whereas Intel users will have to choose between faster graphics performance (Ice Lake) or faster processor performance (Comet Lake-U).
https://www.notebookcheck.net/AMD-7-nm-Renoir-accomplishes-what-Intel-couldn-t-do-with-10-nm-Ice-Lake-Core-i7-1065G7-or-14-nm-Comet-Lake-U-Core-i7-10710U.457668.0.html
Intel says they will send Tiger Lake chips to OEMs this summer ... so Renoir won't be competing with last year's Ice Lake chips. Tiger Lake will be on an improved 10nm process, with improved caches, memory speed, PCIE4, gen12 graphics with 1.5x the Ice Lake gen11 execution units.
@JayN - Sampling this summer means they will start putting them into laptops when? Fall? Winter? By then it'll already be soon for the Ryzen 5000 series.
On top of that, since intel is redoing their GPU from scratch, more than likely drivers are gonna have issues the 1st year anyways.
Then there is the fact that the DG1 tigerlake leaks were far from impressive, which puts doubts on the integrated gpu performance.
Last but not least, AMD stuff tend to be cheaper than Intel stuff.
Right now, Intel is just holding back, because it does not want every patron to get Ice Lake. Intel sells a much larger volume and to avoid shortage some of the demand is diverted to Comet Lake. It is even reserving vPro for Comet Lake because businesses, unlike consumers, do not care about the process node. That's why Ice Lake could have beaten Comet Lake across the board, but didn't. 1065G7 has only got 4 cores. It has potential for higher core count in the future. In the meantime AMD has not switched GPU architecture yet, so for both sides, the best is yet to come.
The dark horse here for me is I require thunderbolt, which is usually absent from units with AMD CPUs.
@hfm - have you missed the AMD thinkpads with thunderbolt? With Thunderbolt being opened up for USB4, finding it on AMD laptops will be more common.
Quote from: cyberstudio on March 17, 2020, 11:57:10
Right now, Intel is just holding back, because it does not want every patron to get Ice Lake. Intel sells a much larger volume and to avoid shortage some of the demand is diverted to Comet Lake. It is even reserving vPro for Comet Lake because businesses, unlike consumers, do not care about the process node. That's why Ice Lake could have beaten Comet Lake across the board, but didn't. 1065G7 has only got 4 cores. It has potential for higher core count in the future. In the meantime AMD has not switched GPU architecture yet, so for both sides, the best is yet to come.
That post is a true lesson in twisting reality to suit a certain view. Let's see:
-Intel isn't diverting demand to Comet Lake to avoid a shortage; there
is an ongoing 14nm shortage (the node CL is made on), which means that Intel is making anything and everything it can on 10nm to alleviate said shortage, not the other way around. Diverting production away from 10nm and onto the dramatically congested 14nm node would make no sense whatsoever unless they had to. That there's still a 14nm mobile lineup tells us two possible things, at least one of which must be true: 10nm yields are low enough that they can't cover even the entirety of the U-series mobile market with that node alone, and/or 10nm in its current revision scales voltage so poorly with clocks above ~3GHz that higher performing SKUs aren't feasible.
-Businesses absolutely care about nodes, as node shrinks typically means less power consumption, which again means TCO savings, or more productivity without increasing power consumption. However 10nm doesn't actually consume less power than 14nm currently, and performs worse to boot (outside of graphics). As such businesses are holding back to the tried and tested tech.
-Ice Lake could not have beaten Comet Lake across the board on the current 10nm node. Not a chance. There's a reason CL
outperforms ICL in both ST and MT performance
while consuming no more power. In other words, for ICL to perform better and beat CL, it would need to consume more power, thus not fitting in the 15W U-class TDP range.
-4-core ICL has a
much lower base frequency at 15W than 4c CL - low enough to alleviate its ~18% IPC advantage (http://"https://ark.intel.com/content/www/us/en/ark/compare.html?productIds=196448,196449,196597"). An 18% IPC advantage doesn't help when the other chip clocks 38% faster. And the clock advantage grows for CL in cTDP-up mode at 25W - 2.3 vs. 1.5GHz, or a 53% advantage. Ice Lake is
less efficient than Coffee Lake, and has less potential to scale upwards.
Quote from: A on March 17, 2020, 15:20:07
@hfm - have you missed the AMD thinkpads with thunderbolt? With Thunderbolt being opened up for USB4, finding it on AMD laptops will be more common.
Yeah, it will also become more common as more high-end AMD-equipped laptops reach the market. Which is definitely happening with this generation of APUs. That's the main reason for the current absence, as there's nothing technical or licence-related actually prohibiting OEMs from using TB3 controllers on AMD devices (beyond Intel's likely reluctance to help in engineering and certifying such devices before they gave away the spec).
Paid article from AMD
Tigerlake will be Renoir's competitor, not Icelake. With 2x GPU performance over icelake, Tiger lake GPU is expected to demolish Renoir. This will be a first time for Intel GPUs to demolish AMD ones after already matching with Icelake.
How is this article "journalism" in any way? You've not even TESTED a single Renoir device.
I'll be happy to agree, AFTER you've done a test.
Smells like "I need a headline that's interesting!" Should we even believe tests coming out of Notebookcheck?...
no reviews, no laptops, lisa su strikes again
Quote from: ikjadoon on March 17, 2020, 18:31:06
I'll be happy to agree, AFTER you've done a test.
be happy. zen 2 cores is well known since july 2019.
QuoteTigerlake will be Renoir's competitor, not Icelake. With 2x GPU performance over icelake, Tiger lake GPU is expected to demolish Renoir
tiger lake=ice lake+10% higher frequencies. too hot to compete in any segment except sub 400usd laptops, where people are still not rich enough to afford 50usd dgpu.
QuotePaid article from AMD
lisa su had no money for some testing :)
QuoteThe dark horse here for me is I require thunderbolt, which is usually absent from units with AMD CPUs
can you tell me whats wrong with intel latest machines with no thunderbolt? https://www.notebookcheck.net/Asus-ZenBook-15-UX534FTC-in-Review-Matte-powerful-king-of-battery-life.457639.0.html#toc-energy-management-asus-laptop-does-not-lack-stamina
Quote from: chandrasekaran Srinivasan on March 17, 2020, 17:27:26
Paid article from AMD
Do elaborate on this, please.
After all, some news here also have some bias to Intel. You can search for them yourself.
Very interested to see actual power consumption, and actual benchmarks. But until then this is really just marketing.
Quote from: JohnMac on March 18, 2020, 09:21:21
Very interested to see actual power consumption, and actual benchmarks. But until then this is really just marketing.
While that is true, the efficiency and performance of Zen2 is well known at this point. The surprise would be if performance
didn't live up to expectations. The iGPU is more of a question mark, though there are enough leaked benchmarks (including some from here at NBC - somebody added pre-release benchmarks to the searchable database for comparisons, whoops) that this is also pretty well established at this point.
Quote from: william blake on March 17, 2020, 22:44:08
no reviews, no laptops, lisa su strikes again
It's a bit of a stretch to put production and shipping delays due to the corona virus on her shoulders, no?
Quote from: Valantar on March 18, 2020, 09:39:26
It's a bit of a stretch to put production and shipping delays due to the corona virus on her shoulders, no?
she is a weak ceo. and pretty famous for broken promises and bad launches. famous for being unfriendly to consumers also. so no, no stretch.
Quote from: william blake on March 18, 2020, 13:02:34
Quote from: Valantar on March 18, 2020, 09:39:26
It's a bit of a stretch to put production and shipping delays due to the corona virus on her shoulders, no?
she is a weak ceo. and pretty famous for broken promises and bad launches. famous for being unfriendly to consumers also. so no, no stretch.
Really. Hm. I think you're quite alone in that opinion, seeing how she's led AMD from near-bankruptcy to being profitable and near debt-free, has gone from being so far behind in CPU performance they were a joke with near-zero market share to leading in performance and efficiency and gaining marketshare rapidly in all markets, and has negotiated dominance in two large-volume game console generations for them (the first before she became CEO, though), has executed flawlessly on a long-term CPU roadmap, and is on the way to bringing them back to GPU competitiveness in a big way after the previous GPU division boss (who demanded and got a lot of freedom in how their GPUs were developed) jumped over to Intel. Even if there have been setbacks and delays along the way, your view is extremely selective, focusing on minor negatives and entirely ignoring huge positives. The PC and gaming industries would not be where they are today if it weren't for Dr. Su.
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