Bunch of porn-addicted coomers complaining.
Quote from: SSchorik0101 on July 28, 2025, 19:46:56Bunch of porn-addicted coomers complaining.
No it's about companies forcing you to pay extreme amounts of interest to buy stuff and then they tell you what you can or can't buy. It shouldn't be you can only purchase stuff that your credit card company likes and if they dislike something you're not allowed to purchase it. You work hard to get your credit up to get credit cards so you could build your credit even further to get cars and houses. I didn't build my credit so I can be told that I'm not allowed to purchase something. If they are allowed to get away with it with this stuff they'll just keep doing it more and more. Until you ain't allowed to buy half the stuff because someone on the board of directors don't like it. By the way there isn't a single thing that I haven't been able to purchase so this don't affect me at all I just think the idea of it is dumb af
Quote from: SSchorik0101 on July 28, 2025, 19:46:56Bunch of porn-addicted coomers complaining.
Even if it was, what does it matter to you? They're adults, paying taxes, doing their own thing in private. Its usually people like you who seek to criticize and control others that have the most/worst "sins" to hide.
Human emotions, experience, and expression is natural and should be normalized. You ever read pre-Disney folktales? Any literature pre-y2k? Your pearls would explode off your chest.
Not to mention, even if that were the case and it weren't snuffing art as whole - you can have very good lore and world building with adult material - that's just the beginning. It starts at "to save the kids" and before you know it, Christian Nationalists have turned the US into Iran. You're either pro-free speech or a liar. There are no shades of gray.
This has nothing to do porn addicts wanting porn. This is about being able to buy what we want with our money and not letting payment processing companies dictate what we can and cannot buy. Especially, when the people who are against these kind of games are the same kind of people who supported the abomination"cuties" on netflix.
Quote from: SSchorik0101 on July 28, 2025, 19:46:56Bunch of porn-addicted coomers complaining.
As always a self righteous bootlicker who needs the govt to tell him to not wack off for two seconds.
Yep. They like to do this type of s***. Retail online gun store have problems with POS systems and web hosting too because these companies are soft. Same with weed 🤷�♂️
It has little to do with porn actually. It is blanket censorship done by removing the ability to make legal purchases. There are multiple other groups dealing with this censorship including AI development platforms, 3D print labs, and teen books. If payment processors are allowed to continue, what is to stop them from stopping donations to an entire party in a country? The would literally cause a major democracy to become socialist or fascist due to severe economic tolls applied to the party's opponents.
Quote from: SSchorik0101 on July 28, 2025, 19:46:56Bunch of porn-addicted coomers complaining.
Why do you think Visa should tell you what you're allowed to buy with your money? Do you really trust the morals of Visa to be enshrined at the level of government? Because that's what you're doing by supporting this. You're putting Visa in a position where they effectively get to make laws. Is that what you want? You want laws by Visa?
That's where this is going. Law, brought to you by Visa.
Credit cards are not "peoples" money. They are the financial institutions loan to you - by them. You want that stuff, go get a steam card and top up that way. Ez.
Quote from: Not important on Yesterday at 01:20:15You want that stuff, go get a steam card and top up that way. Ez.
And how exactly do you use that Steam card to buy games on Steam when those games were removed from the Steam store due to crying and censorship fetish from wannabe fascists in Visa & MasterCard?
Quote from: SSchorik0101 on July 28, 2025, 19:46:56Bunch of porn-addicted coomers complaining.
they just hit a bunch of horror genre too. Wake-up porn is just the gateway first porn then horror then blood then guns and explosions and violence. Eventually
You see, according to Cocteau's plan I'm the enemy, 'cause I like to think; I like to read. I'm into freedom of speech and freedom of choice. I'm the kind of guy likes to sit in a greasy spoon and wonder - "Gee, should I have the T-bone steak or the jumbo rack of barbecued ribs with the side order of gravy fries?" I WANT high cholesterol. I wanna eat bacon and butter and BUCKETS of cheese, okay? I want to smoke Cuban cigar the size of Cincinnati in the non-smoking section. I want to run through the streets naked with green jello all over my body reading playboy magazine. Why? Because I suddenly might feel the need to, okay, pal? I've SEEN the future. Do you know what it is? It's a 47-year-old virgin sitting around in his beige pajamas, drinking a banana-broccoli shake, singing "I'm an Oscar Meyer Wiener".
So no warhammer, no guns, no gore, no pirates, no medieval games, no monsters or dinosaurs, no blood, just baby animals and rainbows would be allowed. Not even Minecraft is safe. No fantasy elements...
it says "adult-themed", so it means the games only suitable for 18+ are also included
The person who left the first comment is a retard and is the reason our freedoms are constantly being eroded
As an ace that mostly plays cute games like stardew valley I find this move abhorrent! I don't care if I would have never played a single game that was banned. I don't care if it was all trashed. It was not worth being in the store... The payment system should focus on processing our money to the vendor. Not regulating what is vended. I can't even see a reason for them to voice what should or shouldn't be sold other than products that promote tons of fraud that they lose money on...
Not only are they blocking sales through their payment systems, they're causing steam to not allow us to buy through other methods either... The only reason a game should be removed from the steam library is because steam itself finds it to be a trash game that's just taking up space. (Or for example, it's stealing someone else's work and re-skinning it).
Okay so? While i do agree visa/mastercard is the ahole for this change org petition wont change anything, looking at how trashy paypal became and a lot of people still use it.
The real way to stop it is just using in house wallet(steam card) while visa can deny you buying the game directly they cannot deny buying the in house wallet credit.
Let's be real boycotting visa/mastercard is neigh impossible
Japan had this happen for legal content, one was an otaku dating site. They fought back by threatening to ban visa and MasterCard from being able to do business in their country. If it is legal in your country then payment processors should not be allowed to dictate you can't buy it.
Quote from: SSchorik0101 on July 28, 2025, 19:46:56Bunch of porn-addicted coomers complaining.
Huge swing and a miss...
Quote from: Not important on Yesterday at 01:20:15Credit cards are not "peoples" money. They are the financial institutions loan to you - by them. You want that stuff, go get a steam card and top up that way. Ez.
Yes, it's a loan, not a gift, which means you pay them back.
Imagine if, through the foot-in-the-door or door-in-the-face approach, credit card companies dictated where you could eat, what kind of house or car you could buy, and so on because, "they loaned you the money, so they get to dictate what you can and can't buy with it." And this is not a slippery slope fallacy because, under capitalism, if you give these corporations an inch, they'll take the whole world.
Quote from: SSchorik0101 on July 28, 2025, 19:46:56Bunch of porn-addicted coomers complaining.
The issue is that credit companies can be forced to not allow certain games, for example some dark souls bosses are considered 18+ with how there designs are of they made it so you can't buy them cause there deemed to inappropriate mind you they can't just make it where the boss is differently designed it ruins the lore and story if they have to change it plus what if games like let's say a horror game that someone spent hours to just make the levels alone then had to remove half the horror cause the blood its the ideal fo companies being able to control what people do despite it also being the consumers money. So it isn't just cause the porn it's cause if they can do that easily and deny sales of a horror or game that isn't porn related cause it's to inappropriate so please don't try to argue cause seems only game you play is "my little pony:kingdom quest" so shush.
They don't give a crap about what a bunch of gooners think. This slop should have never been let on the platform to begin with.
Why are payment processing companies such as Visa and Mastercard monitoring purchases made by consumers? That is supposed to be confidential information and should not be viewed by anyone at these companies unless there is a crime being committed, and even then they have no right to be deciding who can purchase any item digital or not PERIOD. This is a privacy right of the consumer and should never be in the eyes of visa or Mastercard. This is a violation of people's rights and should be taken to court not petitioned. Are credit card companies above the law? No! This is ridiculous. To much power for companies that are supposed to be just processing purchases.
Quote from: Not important on Yesterday at 01:20:15Credit cards are not "peoples" money. They are the financial institutions loan to you - by them. You want that stuff, go get a steam card and top up that way. Ez.
incorrect. My bank card has a visa on it. It's a debit card that removes money directly from my bank account. But if visa has their way I can no longer purchase things they deem inappropriate by using the visa function. That's not a loan, it's my money. It's not their place to say what I spend it on so long as it's not illegal. This moral rant brought to you by American Express.
For the people saying it's just coomer games vile exhumed a horror walking sim was just delisted and banned by valve because of implied violence and it's being traced back to this group
EU, make it illegal for payment services to regulate what we can buy and not buy.
It's basic slippery-slope. Today they ban excessive gore, tomorrow they ban any gore.
Visa and Master Card are major companies that almost everyone globally, around the whole planet use. If they're allowed to chose what we can and can't consume or in some cases: what we're allowed to earn money from. That'll just lead to corruption and abuse. The world is already corrupt, it doesn't have to go further.
There are of course illegal things that people can do, and that's a different thing. If Steam was hosting actual illegal content (as in, allowing people from a region where it is illegal to purchase it with Mastercard and Visa), then they can refuse it. But as long as the product or service is legal for said person in their region, then they shouldn't be allowed to refuse.
This should be similar to net neutrality. An internet service provider (ISP) isn't allowed to dictate what you can and can't do on the internet. Neither should a payment service provider.
And yet I don't see Mastercard and VISA on their high horses targeting OnlyFans...
Allowing this will just open the door for Mastercard and VISA to push the boundaries on what they deem "appropriate". No gore and horror today, no games with political undertones tomorrow.
There's a reason why there are 18+ content control settings on Steam.
Why should everyone even bother with this? Its our moneybwe use it as we want. If Australia really wants these removed, just have steam removed and itch.io rdmoved from that region so no one else is affected. Simple and effective to avoid this bs going about.
Bunch of Aussie making decisions for the world, so many people are caught in the cross fire, all in the name of *Protecting* the *Women and Children*, what lies. It's all about Control. Real living people are suffering but they went and targeted people who sleeps all day, draws all day, being antisocial and what not over FICTIONAL characters. I'm praying for a miracle to smite Visa/MasterCard for this.
Someone should make that EU citizen petition, like Stop Killing Games and gather signatures, so EU goes after payment processors like Japan. Payment processors are like fully unregulated police, also known as mafia, since they control flow of the money and can shut down anything, censor anything, without any debate, with no judge or justice, just based on whim. And they all do exact same thing, they are like cartel, not competing with each other. Any sort of police needs regulation and any sort of punishment like that needs to be appealable and properly judged based on laws. Not this corporate wild west justice.
So, much like the debate around abortion, a handful of people have decided to legislate/implement rules onto the rest of us based solely on their own ridiculous Victorian sense of morality!
The argument for both positions is the same: If you don't want one, then don't get one... but don't you dare think you also get to decide if I get one!!!!
Quote from: Ableon on Yesterday at 07:33:24They don't give a crap about what a bunch of gooners think. This slop should have never been let on the platform to begin with.
How do you define "slip" though? I remember the religious right (the same kind of people who are behind the Steam hijinks) freaked out over interspecies romances in Mass Effect.
How long before games that allow a human to love an elf or Klingon are banned under this same scheme? How long until you can't have an LGBT character at all? Where does it stop? Do developers have to start worrying that the current administration will pressure processors to kill others types of games? What about other media? With this BS, you could have AMC being cut off from credit cards because they did a limited showing off Broke Back Mountain.
You don't have to be a "gooner" to see the problem. At best, there's a chilling effect on all media. At worst, the CC companies are creating a mechanism for the government to enforce censorship without running afoul of the Constitution. If the current regime doesn't like your content, all they've got to do is threaten an "investigation" into Visa or MasterCard or AmEx. Presto, the payment processors tell the vendor to block sales for that content or be cut off altogether. Yes, it's extortion. And yes, it's completely legal under the current laws.
Mastercard and Visa have no right whatsoever to tell me what I can and cannot buy. They are a financial institution. Their morals and opinions are worthless and have no right to dictate who and what I do with my money. They only need to sit down, shut-up and process my transaction. That is all. That is their entire purpose. If we allow this to continue it might start with porn, but it will not end with porn. They already tried doing this with guns. What would be next? Violence in games? Censoring art? Censoring music? Do we really want a bank telling us what choices we can make?
Visa and Mastercard need to know, that they do not have the power of moral judgement over private citizens. Period.
Quote from: SSchorik0101 on July 28, 2025, 19:46:56Bunch of porn-addicted coomers complaining.
Really? Because it's not Steam, but Itch.io banning games like Mouthwashing - a genuinely fantastic horror game with dark themes - shows the logical conclusion of payment processors getting to decide what can and can't be played. Who says it won't be games with LGBTQ themes next? Maybe a game where there's a child protagonist who gets hurt? What's the logical conclusion of payment processors and puritanical groups getting to ban
legal content?
Quote from: Calan420 on July 28, 2025, 20:27:16Quote from: SSchorik0101 on July 28, 2025, 19:46:56Bunch of porn-addicted coomers complaining.
No it's about companies forcing you to pay extreme amounts of interest to buy stuff and then they tell you what you can or can't buy. It shouldn't be you can only purchase stuff that your credit card company likes and if they dislike something you're not allowed to purchase it. You work hard to get your credit up to get credit cards so you could build your credit even further to get cars and houses. I didn't build my credit so I can be told that I'm not allowed to purchase something. If they are allowed to get away with it with this stuff they'll just keep doing it more and more. Until you ain't allowed to buy half the stuff because someone on the board of directors don't like it. By the way there isn't a single thing that I haven't been able to purchase so this don't affect me at all I just think the idea of it is dumb af
You make a fair point and after thinking it over I agree. My comment was unfair and judgemental.