Tesla has now calculated the average lifespan of its vehicles. It takes fewer miles for a Tesla vehicle battery to degrade in Europe than it does in the US, according to the automaker's statistics.https://www.notebookcheck.net/Tesla-posts-the-lifespan-of-its-electric-vehicle-batteries-as-both-time-and-mileage-matter.1049300.0.html
The problem is - the risk of battery failure increases significantly after 10 years. Capacity degradation is still gradual but the cells will outright fail at a higher rate. A good ICE car can last more than 20 years with good maintenance. Here in EU in my country there is a significant market for cars with 200k km. And this in turn maintains their value for previous owners. A lot of the time this is their original owner. But a 200k 10 year old EV might be un-sellable.
Hopefully by the time your battery fails a cheap replacement is available.
Quote from: anan on Yesterday at 10:29:05The problem is - the risk of battery failure increases significantly after 10 years. Capacity degradation is still gradual but the cells will outright fail at a higher rate. A good ICE car can last more than 20 years with good maintenance. Here in EU in my country there is a significant market for cars with 200k km. And this in turn maintains their value for previous owners. A lot of the time this is their original owner. But a 200k 10 year old EV might be un-sellable.
dont think for a minute any engine dont have a much greater chance of failure over 200k miles yes some make it but there's also teslas with over 500k miles on original battery.
A 20% loss of battery capacity still leaves 80% of the original range. This is still more than enough range for most people. The article makes it sound like the car is unusable after a 20% loss of range which is ridiculous. 😂
Saying your car is good for 10 years, and after that you would like to change is hell a of take for a car company.
Sure that a gas car will last 20 years
But how much money you will pay in those 20 years in gas and mechanical repairs?
People do not do the math and only think in 20 years but don't take into account the money spent on repairs in that same gas car! 👿😎🙏🤬🙈🐀👎🏿
Yeah, I'm calling BS on Tesla's statistics. My model 3 with 113k on the clock is at 79% of original capacity despite rare 100% charges. TBH I'll probably go GM for my next EV.
Quote from: Taree on Yesterday at 18:42:47Yeah, I'm calling BS on Tesla's statistics. My model 3 with 113k on the clock is at 79% of original capacity despite rare 100% charges. TBH I'll probably go GM for my next EV.
Ahhh yes the company known for the most battery failures and fires. Great choice.
Time is by far the biggest killer of EV Batteries.Followed by HEAT and then perhaps mileage. EV batteries don't want low miles! They want to be driven! Do not waste your car by not driving it! Drive it! Or lose all those miles you could have had.
No way do I believe in a battery warranty for over ten years! That's either stupid or they do not plan on being in business in 15 to 25 years and they will just dissappear and resurface as some other battery company! That's still pie in the sky! Plan on your battery lasting 8 to 12 years and be ready from 8 years on. 8 to 10 years of trouble free miles! Totally worth it! Just buy your class of car for the next 10 years and drive it! If any EV gives you trouble in that 10 year period trade it off. You should not experience anything other than tires wipers and perhaps just a few nit picking things. Brakes should be good for 100,000 miles no more brake problems. Charge slow and discharge at whatever rate you want! But charge as slow as you can. Godspeed
Quote from: Kidamer on Yesterday at 12:31:11Quote from: anan on Yesterday at 10:29:05The problem is - the risk of battery failure increases significantly after 10 years. Capacity degradation is still gradual but the cells will outright fail at a higher rate. A good ICE car can last more than 20 years with good maintenance. Here in EU in my country there is a significant market for cars with 200k km. And this in turn maintains their value for previous owners. A lot of the time this is their original owner. But a 200k 10 year old EV might be un-sellable.
dont think for a minute any engine dont have a much greater chance of failure over 200k miles yes some make it but there's also teslas with over 500k miles on original battery.
Quote from: anan on Yesterday at 10:29:05The problem is - the risk of battery failure increases significantly after 10 years. Capacity degradation is still gradual but the cells will outright fail at a higher rate. A good ICE car can last more than 20 years with good maintenance. Here in EU in my country there is a significant market for cars with 200k km. And this in turn maintains their value for previous owners. A lot of the time this is their original owner. But a 200k 10 year old EV might be un-sellable.
99% of cars don't get good maintenance.
That said, to be clear what has a high chance of failing after 10 years isn't the battery but the sensors in the battery. Those batteries can be brought back to life.
But even then, after 10 years, other than a few specific models, most cars even ICE are almost worthless, any part failing would cost more to repair than the value of the car.
Quote from: Taree on Yesterday at 18:42:47Yeah, I'm calling BS on Tesla's statistics. My model 3 with 113k on the clock is at 79% of original capacity despite rare 100% charges. TBH I'll probably go GM for my next EV.
The statistics are AVERAGE. That means you can be below average or above average. Many factors can go into things, charging to 100% isn't that big of a deal even. It is keeping it at 100% that is more an issue. Other factors includes how hot the environment is, how you drive, if you have the Standard model or the long range model, which battery chemistry your model has and etc.
Though first you should try to re-calibrate your battery to see how much you are actually at. Sometimes the calibration can be off.
Quote from: Felipe on Yesterday at 17:26:00Sure that a gas car will last 20 years
But how much money you will pay in those 20 years in gas and mechanical repairs?
People do not do the math and only think in 20 years but don't take into account the money spent on repairs in that same gas car! 👿😎🙏🤬🙈🐀👎🏿
Your absolutely correct. I know someone with a 2018 BMW, they spend on average $2000 a year making repairs and the car has under 100,000 miles. Ten years from now they will have a minimum of $20,000 invested in the cars mechanicals, mostly the cooling system ( most of the components are plastic ) . If they have anything major fail they will have spent well into the $30,000 range. All of a sudden that Tesla is much less expensive and easier to maintain.