"mediocre battery life" seems very harsh, when it gets 9 hours, and its only 8% below the segment average. You could say it has below segment average battery life, but by no means its "mediocre".
Quote from: Barron on June 22, 2025, 02:44:04it has below segment average battery life, but by no means its "mediocre".
Lol, that's exactly what mediocre is, average.
Quote from: Barron on June 22, 2025, 02:44:04it gets 9 hours
Previous gen has 6-7 hours battery life, so that's definitely an improvement.
Wondering how bad the coil noise is...
Why do they still put shitty, plastic-surface, mechanical trackpads on their P-line notebooks? A glass-surface, haptic trackpad from Sensel would elevate this machine more than any increase in GHz or TOPS would.
I am glad to see two RAM slots though.
I agree Horst, but how many people actually use a touchpad for serious work, that's what we would need to know here.
I have a glass one in my X1 Carbon, I find that mylar/plastic in my P16 (bigger and more powerful workstation brother of the P14s) disgusting to use in hot summer days when humidity is higher than usual so there's a hell lot of friction between fingers and that plastic surface, it feels like you are moving through mud.
Glass is superb and amazing and everything, but I will still always pick a mouse or a trackball whenever I need to do anything that's not surfing the web or something similar. It's just faster, easier and more convenient for me and I'm assuming for many other people also, to the point of Lenovo doing these a** cost-cutting measures fully convinced how it's unnecessary to have anything better. It sucks but it would really be interesting to know how much trackpad-only users are out there...
Where are 16" laptops?
Looking for replacement of my Elitebook 855 but nothing.
Regarding the limitation of the Ryzen 9 unit in terms of screen availability (the 2.8K OLED screen only available with Ryzen 5 and Ryzen 7), I posted a message on Lenovo's forum:
https://forums.lenovo.com/t5/ThinkPad-P-and-W-Series-Mobile-Workstations/P14s-and-p16s-with-HX-370-limited-to-full-HD-screen/m-p/5383331 (https://forums.lenovo.com/t5/ThinkPad-P-and-W-Series-Mobile-Workstations/P14s-and-p16s-with-HX-370-limited-to-full-HD-screen/m-p/5383331)
I also spoke with two business representatives over the phone, but neither could explain why this configuration isn't possible. Representatives are restricted to the configurations available on Lenovo's website.
Our regular representative even attempted to persuade me that a 1200p resolution is superior to FHD (while it is true that it has a 16:10 aspect ratio compared to 16:9, the DPI is nearly identical).
However, I am specifically looking for a P16s Gen 4, which have the same limitation (Ryzen 9 only with 1200p screen) and should theoretically have the same motherboard, etc.
Therefore, it is a deal-breaker for me to purchase a 16" screen with a 1920x1200p resolution.
For the P14s, this is less critical, but individuals engaged in creative work might benefit from the 2.8K screen (which offers DCI P3 instead of 100% RGB).
Concerning the screen limitation with Ryzen 9, I believe the response on Lenovo's forum and your test report clarify the current limitations.
Lenovo only offers the P14s with a 65W Power Supply Unit, and your test concludes that the 65W PSU is insufficient (with a consumption of 67.5W), even though your tested configuration had an IPS low-power screen.
With an OLED screen, we can assume the device might consume 70-75W at maximum.
The question is: Can the P14s handle more than 65W of power input?
I would say yes, as the P16s, which should have the same components as the P14s (as this was the case with the previous generation P14s G4/P16s G2, and the hardware maintenance documentation is shared for P14s G6/P16s G4), is sold with an optional 100W PSU.
It might be a Lenovo's decision not to further impact battery life with an OLED screen.
Your test indicates that the battery life is mediocre.
Even though it is below the segment average, the previous generation was worse, and the difference in results between Gen5/R7_8840HS/OLED (WiFi test: 371 minutes) and Gen6/R9_HX_370/IPS_low_power (WiFi test: 559 minutes) could result in better battery life with a Gen6/R9_HX_370/OLED configuration.
Another possibility is a commercial decision: Lenovo may be deliberately limiting AMD P14s/P16s configurations to encourage customers to order Intel versions instead of AMD (I feel like Lenovo considers AMD versions for cost-effectiveness and Intel versions for premium offerings).
I was really waiting for the P16s with a >= 10c/20t CPU and a QHD screen at least on this size.
I cannot buy the models they are offering neither their current Intel versions that are too expensive for older CPUs (Intel 100H only).
Has anyone tried using a good quality 240W USB-C cable and a 100W adapter to see if the coil whine has stopped ?
Quote from: Worgarthe on June 22, 2025, 14:04:22I agree Horst, but how many people actually use a touchpad for serious work, that's what we would need to know here.
I agree that you cannot do serious work with a touchpad. But when mobile, you sometimes do not have a surface to put your mouse or trackball on. Or it would take more time and effort to arrange for that than to just use the touchpad.
A laptop this expensive should have a best-in-class touchpad. Not that five dollar piece of plastic garbage.
Quote from: Horst545 on June 24, 2025, 02:03:42Quote from: Worgarthe on June 22, 2025, 14:04:22I agree Horst, but how many people actually use a touchpad for serious work, that's what we would need to know here.
I agree that you cannot do serious work with a touchpad. But when mobile, you sometimes do not have a surface to put your mouse or trackball on. Or it would take more time and effort to arrange for that than to just use the touchpad.
A laptop this expensive should have a best-in-class touchpad. Not that five dollar piece of plastic garbage.
Thinkpads have a trackpoint very useful when mobile even more than the trackpad.
So for me, there is no problem about that.
You are mentionning an expensive price.
This product has just been launched, prices will go do down and during sales, this kind of product can have very good discounts (look at the gen 5 which is discounted periodically since November).
And if you buy for your business, just call a business représentative.
Quote from: Horst545 on June 24, 2025, 02:03:42A laptop this expensive should have a best-in-class touchpad. Not that five dollar piece of plastic garbage.
Indeed, 100%. No one can seriously argue about that being incorrect.
Quote from: moe69230 on June 24, 2025, 10:00:26Thinkpads have a trackpoint very useful when mobile even more than the trackpad.
So for me, there is no problem about that.
The TrackPoint is definitely superior (once you get used to it), it's just a problem in Lenovo's bizarre ways of cost-cutting in expensive machines. It doesn't even have to be haptic, let that stay for the X1 lineup, it can be just a basic glass touchpad and it will still be infinitely better than this mylar/plastic one.
Quote from: moe69230 on June 24, 2025, 10:00:26You are mentionning an expensive price.
This product has just been launched, prices will go do down and during sales, this kind of product can have very good discounts (look at the gen 5 which is discounted periodically since November).
This is true, but the same applies for other ThinkPad laptops too, including those with a glass touchpad. My X1 Carbon is about the same price as my P16, one is ultraportable and a perfect machine to run & gun around, another is three times heavier and much thicker but also more powerful workstation desktop replacement laptop. Both of them are Lenovo's premium ThinkPads, by Lenovo's own words. Yet the P16 has that joke plastic touchpad which is fine from about October to April, but May, June, July, August and September it's just a god damn torture to use.
I'm typing from my P16 right now and I'm just trying to navigate around with a touchpad - it's not pleasant at all. Like I said in my previous comment above, the friction is unreal, and I'm not sweaty at all, it's just that humidity is higher in hot days (32°C currently) including skin in fingers. Just moving my finger around that plastic feels like I have a wet chewing gum on my finger, it's unpleasant and not fun. Then I tried my X1C with its glass touchpad and it just glides around effortlessly, it's incomparable really. For all I care they could bump up the cost for 30 to 50€, it's already an expensive machine so that wouldn't matter but it would tremendously improve the overall comfort of using a damn laptop. No way that a glass touchpad would cost them more than half of that price to get and pop in a laptop...
Quote from: Dodobird on June 22, 2025, 04:52:52Wondering how bad the coil noise is...
see www.reddit.com/r/thinkpad/comments/1ldtmyw/p14s_gen_6_amd_coil_whine_noise
(sorry, I can't post links)
As I already in a previous topic here that P14s Gen 6 with Ryzen AI HX370 is limited by the 65W power supply. Damn it. I was right ;-). On Lenovo website there is no option for a 100W power supply (confirmed by Lenovo on chat) like for the P16s Gen 4. Electrically they should have the same USB-C (PD3.1) port which allows 5A under 20V (= 100W). If so, and if P14s Gen 6 handles that power, it means that you have to buy the 100W power supply separately.
On my T14s Gen 6, 100W power supply is well recognized by Lenovo Commercial Vantage but I don't know the true amount of power provided. I never reached a total of 67W by stressing both CPU and GPU (at a sustained 30W load thanks to UXTU software, much over the default and ridiculous 22W sustained mode). Higher is almost impossible because of temperatures above 100°C. Here on the P14s Gen 6, the max power sustained mode under stress seems to be 29W. In my opinion, it could be higher (~35-37W) by using UXTU.
As stated in the review, the CPU Power Limit 1 for sustained performance for the P14s Gen 6 AMD is 36 W. 29 W is just the CPU consumption when the iGPU is stressed as well.
Quote from: Benjamin Herzig on June 25, 2025, 17:47:57As stated in the review, the CPU Power Limit 1 for sustained performance for the P14s Gen 6 AMD is 36 W. 29 W is just the CPU consumption when the iGPU is stressed as well.
I know that but I said the consumption could be easier 36W (thanks to UXTU) with both CPU and GPU load. I managed to deal with 30W on my T14s Gen 6 instead of the (default) 22W limit while using both CPu and GPU intensively. I can prove it easily. The only thing is to "break" the too low pre-programmed STAPM limit by Lenovo. I dit it.
Today's Thinkpads are complete garbage, simple as. Overpriced brand reputation milking mediocre garbage.
Just buy an IdeaPad or Yoga, much better value and similar if not better package or forgo Lenovo entirely.
Quote from: Most milked brand on June 25, 2025, 18:56:30Today's Thinkpads are complete garbage, simple as. Overpriced brand reputation milking mediocre garbage.
Just buy an IdeaPad or Yoga, much better value and similar if not better package or forgo Lenovo entirely.
If you don't need to carry your laptop around often, it can do the job.
However, if it's for business use, with transport every morning and evening or even several times a day (for professional meetings for instance), your IdeaPad or Yoga won't last long even with sleeve case + a backpack.
I experienced this when we equipped our team with Yogas for business use at the beginning.
Between motherboards that stopped working, broken hinges, and even screens in some cases, the Yoga and Ideapad series are simply not designed for the same purpose as the ThinkPad line is.
They are just not as robust, as durable (for instance memory not upgradeable), lack of a Kensington lock slot, and don't offer as many connectivity options (ethernet).
In conclusion, you can not compare these different lines of products.
I started to replace failing Yogas by Thinkpads.
About prices, if you do not need the brand new version, there are often discounts.
For instance on P14s AMD gen 5 since November which not more expensive than a Yoga with a 3 years warranty included.
Quote from: moe69230 on June 25, 2025, 22:05:29However, if it's for business use, with transport every morning and evening or even several times a day (for professional meetings for instance), your IdeaPad or Yoga won't last long even with sleeve case + a backpack.
Completely false. I have an IdeaPad 5 Pro, use it every day, mobile, I bike to work, travel internationally, even dropped it, zero issues and the build is better than plastic ThinkPads since it's aluminum.
On my ThinkPad the plastic frame cracked, TouchPad failed and screen almost came off.. it's cheap plastic after all.
Quote from: moe69230 on June 25, 2025, 22:05:29They are just not as robust, as durable (for instance memory not upgradeable), lack of a Kensington lock slot, and don't offer as many connectivity options (ethernet).
Memory has nothing to do with durability and even cheap IdeaPads / Yogas can be had with 32GB, why would you need more?
Who uses Kensington anymore or ethernet anymore in the office? Nobody but everyone has docking stations or KVM that supports this or simply buy USB-C ethernet if you really occasionally require it.
You simply fell for brand marketing.
Quote from: Most milked brand on June 26, 2025, 11:19:09Quote from: moe69230 on June 25, 2025, 22:05:29However, if it's for business use, with transport every morning and evening or even several times a day (for professional meetings for instance), your IdeaPad or Yoga won't last long even with sleeve case + a backpack.
Completely false. I have an IdeaPad 5 Pro, use it every day, mobile, I bike to work, travel internationally, even dropped it, zero issues and the build is better than plastic ThinkPads since it's aluminum.
On my ThinkPad the plastic frame cracked, TouchPad failed and screen almost came off.. it's cheap plastic after all.
Quote from: moe69230 on June 25, 2025, 22:05:29They are just not as robust, as durable (for instance memory not upgradeable), lack of a Kensington lock slot, and don't offer as many connectivity options (ethernet).
Memory has nothing to do with durability and even cheap IdeaPads / Yogas can be had with 32GB, why would you need more?
Who uses Kensington anymore or ethernet anymore in the office? Nobody but everyone has docking stations or KVM that supports this or simply buy USB-C ethernet if you really occasionally require it.
You simply fell for brand marketing.
For the problems we got, it was really more from expérience than marketing as I explained (based on more than two dozen of laptops).
If your are happy with your IdeaPad 5 pro, I am happy for you. Enjoy it.
On my side, I am happy to equip my team with discounted P14s with 3 years warranty + damage protection included for not more than an IdeaPad 5 pro with my business account.
Your are mentionning problems on one Thinkpad.
Which serie of Thinkpads was it? T/P/L ?
Quote from: moe69230 on June 26, 2025, 17:22:54Which serie of Thinkpads was it? T/P/L ?
T Series and it's not only me it's colleagues as well. ThinkPads are not what they once were.
Hello,
I am wondering why they use 5600 memory instead 7500 ? they are killing the iGPU performances
Quote from: Dodfr on July 02, 2025, 00:10:35why they use 5600 memory instead 7500 ?
I've seen 6400, but which brand uses 7500? i'm just curious. They probably use 5600 for being a "business" laptop i imagine..
Quote from: Gabrielle on July 02, 2025, 06:40:01Quote from: Dodfr on July 02, 2025, 00:10:35why they use 5600 memory instead 7500 ?
I've seen 6400, but which brand uses 7500? i'm just curious. They probably use 5600 for being a "business" laptop i imagine..
ThinkPad X13 use 8533
IdeaPad Pro 5 use 8000
Yoga 7 use 7500
For strangely when they put an Intel inside they use
Quote from: Dodfr on July 02, 2025, 07:42:02For strangely when they put an Intel inside they use
Forget this text I started something and posted without deleting it.
But After asking my friend google it looks like the difference is because of soldered versus socket eletrical effect, looks like SODIMM have some kind of inductance or some other electrical behavior that do not allow much higher bandwith, I also see there are a few thinkpad models (Intel) that can go up to 6400 using CSODIMM instead of SODIMM (never heard of "C"SODIMM), but higher than that they are all soldered.
Hello,
Could someone explain why the 3DMark result is only 32pt compared to the Lenovo T14 using a 880M show 73pt ? but if you look at the 3 lines of 3DMark 11 details then the P16s show better results than the T14.
Regards.