The weight argument is kinda misleading. EVs are on average 15% to 20% heavier in their class. But the tax on them ends up being 2x of what ICE owners pay through fuel tax (with average miles traveled). EVs end up being pricier to use than ICE cars.
How will the State determine tax on a Level 1 charger on private property?
I bought an EV to save money on fuel cost. They're making this more and more difficult. That I save a little bit of money is not equitable, so they have to charge more so that I get screwed as much as the next guy in an ice car. In my experience superchargings already very expensive and almost on par if not passing gas costs especially when it goes down to about 2.50 a gallon. The good news is if you're not doing road trips home charging is still a hell of a lot cheaper. At least for now.,.
Quote from: anan on November 18, 2024, 10:01:32The weight argument is kinda misleading. EVs are on average 15% to 20% heavier in their class. But the tax on them ends up being 2x of what ICE owners pay through fuel tax (with average miles traveled). EVs end up being pricier to use than ICE cars.
Good, your tax credit was funded by the rest of us
Title and some of the text implies this is for a specific model.
Another paragraph implies all models.
You should practice your writing a little more or stop using AI.
Journalism is sh!t these days.
Quote from: Luciano on November 18, 2024, 14:03:15I bought an EV to save money on fuel cost. They're making this more and more difficult. That I save a little bit of money is not equitable, so they have to charge more so that I get screwed as much as the next guy in an ice car. In my experience superchargings already very expensive and almost on par if not passing gas costs especially when it goes down to about 2.50 a gallon. The good news is if you're not doing road trips home charging is still a hell of a lot cheaper. At least for now.,.
Lucky for you, you have also been saving on road taxes.
That's coming to an end
Sorry you believed there was such a thing as free lunch.
The economics of EVs have always been a massively subsidized bubble. I cannot see any massive breakthroughs in the next decade that will justify this spending spree. The roads are just one of the infrastructures affected by EVs, buy also electrical grid. We have not done much for the latter either, just wait until more taxes come down the line for EV-related grid charges.
Heavy trucks cause road damage. In rounded terms, passenger cars and similar vehicles under four tons are responsible for about 0% (rounded) of road damage. Of course building roads for everyone has to be done, and fixing damage from everything from weather to heavy trucks needs to be fixed. But EV drivers shouldn't have to pay more than everyone else.
EV drivers are already paying twice because the oil industry in the US is so heavily subsidized and any tax money levied to make up for it comes from EV owners too. Yes, there are EV tax credits, but they are a drop in the bucket compared to the cheap gasoline in the US compared to the rest of the world.
Quote from: etotheipi on November 18, 2024, 15:20:05Lucky for you, you have also been saving on road taxes.
That's coming to an end
Sorry you believed there was such a thing as free lunch.
Wisconsin already had a road tax for EVs in form of annual fee for EVs. So unlike gas cars, even if you don't drive at all you had to pay an extra fee. Now they are putting another tax on EVs in the form of charging. Nobody is saying that EVs should avoid road taxes, but the taxes should be fair.
Quote from: Ji on November 18, 2024, 15:26:58The economics of EVs have always been a massively subsidized bubble. I cannot see any massive breakthroughs in the next decade that will justify this spending spree. The roads are just one of the infrastructures affected by EVs, buy also electrical grid. We have not done much for the latter either, just wait until more taxes come down the line for EV-related grid charges.
What nonsense are you talking about? The breakthrough that makes EV viable already happened, first one was around half a century ago when transistor was invented, and second one was when the lithium ion battery was commercialized in 1991. From then on, all EVs needed were incremental improvements and economies of scale.
The US federal tax credit is centered around building out US manufacturing, unless you want to see the US car industry collapse and all go to China. The tax credits require a % of local mining and manufacturing, and the % goes up every year forcing domestic production.
As for the grid, a lot has been done to improve the grid. That said, adoption of EVs actually make the grid cheaper to run.
Just another reason not to go to Wisconsin, as though I needed another one.
What a joke of an article, for the longest time when you factor in both state and federal taxes on fuel Wisconsin pays .493 cents per gallon, even on a smaller fuel tank of 14 gallons a ice car will pay $6.90 in taxes to fill up a 14 gallon tank . These taxes go towards road maintenance, construction and upgrades. So good on Wisconsin to pass laws making ev cars pay their fair share.
Quote from: etotheipi on November 18, 2024, 15:15:08Quote from: anan on November 18, 2024, 10:01:32The weight argument is kinda misleading. EVs are on average 15% to 20% heavier in their class. But the tax on them ends up being 2x of what ICE owners pay through fuel tax (with average miles traveled). EVs end up being pricier to use than ICE cars.
Good, your tax credit was funded by the rest of us
So is your fossil fuel. Id like MY tax dollars to not subsidize it
Quote from: Kevina on November 19, 2024, 18:55:09What a joke of an article, for the longest time when you factor in both state and federal taxes on fuel Wisconsin pays .493 cents per gallon, even on a smaller fuel tank of 14 gallons a ice car will pay $6.90 in taxes to fill up a 14 gallon tank . These taxes go towards road maintenance, construction and upgrades. So good on Wisconsin to pass laws making ev cars pay their fair share.
Except they already put a road tax on EVs, that applies even if you never drive, so EVs were already made MORE expensive to run.
I get you're an ICE fanatic, like many of the posters here apparently, but try to at least read the comments ABOVE yours before
The weight argument is a distraction from the truth. That being, an excuse to charge money.
The weight of a car is figured into the square inches of tire surface contacting the road. EVs have wide tires. Tractor tailor vehicles are heavier than EVs so they have 18 wheels. It calculates to an acceptable amount of pounds per square inch that the road surface was designed for.