The South Pasadena Police Department expects that the move to an all-electric patrol car fleet will save taxpayers $400,000 per car over a 10-year period on gas alone.https://www.notebookcheck.net/First-Tesla-Model-Y-patrol-vehicle-roster-brings-most-American-police-car-and-gas-savings-to-taxpayers.869514.0.html
Lol. This will fail. Greenies never learn.
Quote from: Bizarro_NikoB on July 30, 2024, 18:01:25Lol. This will fail. Greenies never learn.
It has succeeded multiple times before, why would it fail now?
Quote from: A on July 31, 2024, 02:32:01Quote from: Bizarro_NikoB on July 30, 2024, 18:01:25Lol. This will fail. Greenies never learn.
It has succeeded multiple times before, why would it fail now?
*"It has succeeded multiple times" if you believe data coming from people with conflict of interest
Quote from: fgngfngfn on July 31, 2024, 09:14:12*"It has succeeded multiple times" if you believe data coming from people with conflict of interest
You mean the fossil fuel industry who goes to any length to attack EVs with misinformation?
Even common sense could see how these things work out well for patrolling police cars. Police cars spend a huge amount of time idling which kills their engine and burns a ton of gas. They can't even shut the engine off cause of all the electronics they need to operate at all times. This puts huge maintenance costs on them and makes the payback of an EV fairly quick
Quote from: A on July 31, 2024, 22:01:32This puts huge maintenance costs on them and makes the payback of an EV fairly quick
I bet that it doesn't, considering that the prices are much higher than for an internal combustion engine car?
The only strong advantage is a quick start from a standstill, at the level of sports cars, but the overall weight of the car is much higher, which affects worse controllability - the car, due to its wild weight, stupidly reacts more slowly to control commands, and this can be decisive in sharp turns and situations relative to a lightweight car with an internal combustion engine.
In terms of danger - bullets hitting the battery block are just as dangerous as hitting the gas tank. In a collision, it is still unknown where there will be more damage to the car and people, given the obviously greater weight of the car with batteries.
What is easier to protect from bullets - the gas tank or the battery block?
Quote from: Real NikoB (old name bl) on August 01, 2024, 14:18:35I bet that it doesn't, considering that the prices are much higher than for an internal combustion engine car?
The cost of fuel and maintenance of an ICE police car is 5k-10k a year compared to under 1k for an EV, so your break even is pretty fast
QuoteThe only strong advantage is a quick start from a standstill, at the level of sports cars, but the overall weight of the car is much higher, which affects worse controllability - the car, due to its wild weight, stupidly reacts more slowly to control commands, and this can be decisive in sharp turns and situations relative to a lightweight car with an internal combustion engine.
In terms of danger - bullets hitting the battery block are just as dangerous as hitting the gas tank. In a collision, it is still unknown where there will be more damage to the car and people, given the obviously greater weight of the car with batteries.
What is easier to protect from bullets - the gas tank or the battery block?
Considering that most cars these days the gas tank is made of plastic while the battery bank is protected by metal with collision buffers the EV would be safer
Quote from: A on July 31, 2024, 22:01:32You mean the fossil fuel industry who goes to any length to attack EVs with misinformation?
I don't see any marketing articles on every corner about how ICE vehicles are good. So try guessing again, who has the conflict of interest.
Quote from: A on August 01, 2024, 21:11:42The cost of fuel and maintenance of an ICE police car is 5k-10k a year compared to under 1k for an EV
That's cherry-picking of data and inflated cost of ICE car maintenance plus huge EV subsidies that will go away. So basically a lie.
Quote from: fgngfngfn on August 01, 2024, 22:05:58I don't see any marketing articles on every corner about how ICE vehicles are good. So try guessing again, who has the conflict of interest.
What a naive way to look at things. The status quo doesn't need to market how much better they are, all they need to do is do negative marketing to make people stick with the status quo. Or you are going to tell me you've never seen anti-EV marketing?
That said, conflict of interest means that you have some sort of personal stake in the game, not the amount of marketing that is done. The ones doing the data is the police departments themselves.
QuoteThat's cherry-picking of data and inflated cost of ICE car maintenance plus huge EV subsidies that will go away. So basically a lie.
It isn't cherry picking inflated cost of ICE cars, these are the costs quoted by the police departments themselves. The problem which you fail to understand is HOW police cars are used. Most of them sit around most of the time idling, followed by mostly local city driving.
This is very poor match up for ICE vehicles because their optimum efficiency is in highway usage, and engines don't do very well when idling. Engines aren't made with long idling in mind, which makes engines more likely to suffer permanent damage, they are also just burning lots of fuel while idling because the efficiency while idling is terrible due to not being at optimum temperature.