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All of these fancy important topics occupy so much space on the internet it makes them just one more noise source that I couldnt care less about. It is like inflation, war or anything else - too much of the same to care.

It is not Notebookcheck anymore
It is IWannaPostMyOpinioCheck

Go get a personal blog

Don't go down this route Notebookcheck.

For the skeptical enquirer I would recommend the following 'disinformation'. You can find good interviews with each on Youtube or Odyssey:

• Steve Koonin, author of 'Unsettled: What Climate Science Tells Us, What It Doesn't, and Why It Matters'
• Tom Harris, International Climate Science Coalition
• Patrick Moore, co-founder of Greenpeace.
• Prof. William Happer, chair of the CO2 coalition.
• Also, Heartland Institute annual climate conferences. Large and well-attended with many presentations.

Probably because climate alarmists lies shifted first over years, "ozone hole"->"global warming"->"climate change".

So yeah, fake article overall, based on false causality.

Quote from: TheLowHangingFruit on February 11, 2024, 19:34:44All of these fancy important topics occupy so much space on the internet it makes them just one more noise source that I couldnt care less about. It is like inflation, war or anything else - too much of the same to care.

Yep, but that's how you spread agenda by simply spamming the same thing as often as possible wherever you can. It makes you think how despite all those efforts and "efforts" to make everything green blablabla we still keep hearing how everything is more and more polluted, how icebergs in water are melting so oceans and seas across the world will rise (do a simple test - pop an ice cube in glass of water and let it melt - no, that water won't go out of that glass), how we all must use EVs to save the planet...

This, in short: https://imgur.com/YSGOkCn (https://imgur.com/YSGOkCn)

Climate change exist for about 2.8 billion years since our planet have anything to call climate in any form. Yet now we want to fully stop it (not even slow it down but stop it altogether). Lol.

I for one semi-believe the climate has become un-pattern or changes occasionally, but not very huge or severe as it's being portrayed...I recollect an video where a research was demonstrating by a map in a few years what was going to happen to the ozone layer or something like that.I semi-believe space has been ventured into too...*coughs * I'm a novice flat-earther * coughs* ...*leaves phone on table to wear a hat made of tin foil*

Papsy google translate from Italian the XXXIX Chapter of Pensieri by Giacomo Leopardi.
It was written in 1854 and it is available online.

This is a part of it (my corrections):
"...to Magalotti's contemporaries, who wrote in his Familiar Letters: 'It is certain that the ancient order of the seasons seems to be perverting. Here in Italy it is a common rumour and complaint that there are no more half-times; and in this loss of boundaries, there is no doubt that the cold is gaining ground. I heard my father say that in his youth, in Rome, on Easter morning of the resurrection, everyone was dressed as a state(Summer). Now those who do not need to put on their shirts(camiciuola=jumper), I can tell you that they take great care not to lighten the slightest thing of those they wore in the heart of winter'.

This was written by Magalotti in 1683...."

I think thats exactly how they spread their agenda... nothing good will come out of it.

If you don't want people to visit the site, just say so. Why so complicated?

Wow, so many climate change deniers in the comments! And this kinda perfectly validates the article with the points from commenters. It is super weird how all the climate deniers tropes are parroted in these comments. Makes one think that indeed these are just bots configured to spam posts in this general direction:
I am disappointed with {enter site name} for posting this climate change article and this will make people not got to this {site}/alienate readers
Reference climate denier book/organization where the truth is written where the scientist complaints that science community is hiding the truth and only he speaks the truth.
Someone referencing some publication from hundreds of years ago where a climate change is mentioned as a point that climate was changing and it is nothing new what we are experiencing in our times.
Someone mentioning ice cubes melting not increasing the ocean level as if landlocked is does not exist.
And just generally calling climate change articles propaganda/agenda/alarmist and all the other scary words imaginable.

Just seems like a campaign to drown the comments with useless soundbites that try to discredit any climate change research.

A lot of disinformation is actually just people's opinions, and should be treated as such, even so called experts are all biased or self interested these days, pretty much anything can be skewed to look like anything these days

I've also noticed a sharp rise in self importance and narcissism since the advent of social media - source...my observations.....

As for climate change, it is happening and it is a natural process as the Earth goes from ice age to ice age, but, we are probably speeding it up, anyone who denies this is either blind, naive, or a bit thick.

There are well known cycles that are known to cause the Earth's ice ages, and the Earth has been hotter than it is now many times, but that doesn't mean that we aren't having an affect.

The effect of greenhouse gases is easy to simulate and measure so again, I would say anyone who can't understand this needs to read more.

All planetary systems do rely on equilibriam and it doesn't take much to start something that is irreversible, so be very careful is my advice, do try to reduce your consumption and carbon output.

Humans are not very intelligent, choosing to destroy one's own environment, food sources, water sources etc, in the name of short term financial gain is a carbuncle i'm afraid, and this can only be resolved with a form socialism/communism, but implemented in a way that it has not been in the past.

Personal gratification, ego, and the selfish pursuit of personal wealth will inevitably be our undoing otherwise.

Climate on planet Earth have been changing for ages, nature is a self-regulating system, we can't stop it or "fix" it or change it. Humanity is too small of a factor to turn Earth into a barren wasteland, planet has seen much much worse and is still here.

It's so funny to watch the fuss of worms in a jar...

"Big" youtuber profits? Seriously? How about profits to China for manufacturing over 70% of all solar panels? I wonder who the climate business benefits?

QuoteWow, so many climate change deniers

Above we have an example of an hate post.


Climate always have been changing,

I can ask you or any scientist what made past Climate changes and quantify that and you and they cannot answer.

I can ask you or any scientist about the energy quantity that the sun and other natural systems - vulcanic etc - went to earth climate system into last 20 years and you and they cannot answer.

I can ask you or any scientist what made the giant European drought of 1539-40's and you and they cannot answer.

I can ask you and scientists about changes in cloud cover in last 1000 years and you and they cannot answer that.

I am afraid you are a "presentist" person instead of being an "old soul". Try to read history of climate.

I'm assuming that most people answering this are from the US, where scientific iliteracy is higher than in other 1st world countries.

Normal people from other 1st world countries cringe at Americans denying human's involvement in climate change, as if there are not tons of existing regions already destroyed by human activity, such as the Aral sea (Kazakhstan), the Salton Sea (California), the Bikini Atol (Marshall Islands)...

What they don't seem to understand is that Earth will continue existing, with or without humans. We are basically making our existence more complicated.
If we f*** it up enough, bacterias and other microbes will surely live on, no worries, there have been mass extinctions before.

All in all, even planet Earth will cease to exist at some point, when the sun destroys Earth in 3 or 4 billion years.

So anyway, what some of us are afraid is that we humans make it too complicated for humans to live in... in our lifetime, which seems to be more and more feasible.

A shame for people with children right now: they will get to see how their children and grandchildren will have a really dark and scary future ahead, that's for sure.

Quote from: heffeque on February 12, 2024, 20:20:43Aral sea (Kazakhstan), the Salton Sea (California), the Bikini Atol (Marshall Islands)

lol those very minor events are super unrelated
continents have moved and life haven't perished

Quote from: heffeque on February 12, 2024, 20:20:43other 1st world countries cringe at Americans

at some point you will realize US game was to kick you and the likes out of 1st world, but it will be too late
so keep cringing at americans and wasting money on 'stopping climate change', keep fighting your windmills

Quotelol those very minor events are super unrelated
continents have moved and life haven't perished

How are people so ignorant to the scale of this climate change!? It's as if the only possible negative outcome they will accept as "concerning" is if life perishes completely. Earth is heating up at an unprecedented rate. Meaning this has never happened before at this rate of speed. And we are being negatively impacted by this. Animals and plants are dying out because they cannot adapt fast enough to these climate changes. I live in central Europe and in my country winters have become milder. This means that more parasites are surviving winters and decimating forests (specifically firs and pines). The same is happening in US.
Sure, life will find a way. Meanwhile many people are being displaced even now - a lot of central Asia traditional farming is made impossible due to increased droughts. The US is coping somehow by virtue of technological advancement. But farming is super negatively impacted by climate change. And it is projected to get even worse.

The U.S. is the last best hope for a free world, once again, unfortunately the climate realism movement in other Western countries is pathetic or non-existent. There's a lot of large organisations in the U.S. working to influence government that there's no good evidence that CO2 is causing warming, and that more CO2 is actually good for the biosphere and thus civilisation in terms of extra crop growth. Recent CATO report that CO2 increases over the current century will lead to a 50% increase in productivity in some crops - https://www.cato.org/blog/projecting-impacts-rising-co2-future-crop-yields-germany

This kind of news which is drastically contradictory to the doom and gloom fake news tends not to be reported. Institutions that have been pushing climate alarmism for 30 years can't really turn around and say they've been wrong all this time. They have to continue.

2023 paper from 37 authors in 18 countries finds global temperature increase can be attributed to a combination of urbanisation around weather stations that weren't designed for long-term measurements, and a measure of solar activity that the IPCC ignores - https://www.ceres-science.com/post/new-study-suggests-global-warming-could-be-mostly-an-urban-problem

Quote from: anan on February 13, 2024, 16:42:20Earth is heating up at an unprecedented rate. Meaning this has never happened before at this rate of speed.

Wrong. The oldest thermometer record in the world going back to 1659 shows many changes at the same rate and magnitude as is happening now - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Central_England_temperature#/media/File:20190731_Central_England_Temperature_(CET)_(annual_mean,_beginning_in_1659).png

Quote from: anan on February 13, 2024, 16:42:20Animals and plants are dying out

you need to stop reading crap you are reading, animals and plants were always dying out, at quite high rate

Quote from: anan on February 13, 2024, 16:42:20I live in central Europe and in my country winters have become milder.

your life is short, you are talking about weather, not climate. every region had mild or rough seasons at some point. very often in succession.

Quote from: anan on February 13, 2024, 16:42:20more parasites are surviving winters and decimating forests (specifically firs and pines)

means more predators feeding on these species survive too. and predators of that species. nature is self-balancing, doesn't need your opinion or input to even everything out.

Quote from: anan on February 13, 2024, 16:42:20a lot of central Asia traditional farming is made impossible due to increased droughts

there is always someone displaced because of droughts in the world, stop reading whatever biased crap you are reading

Quote from: anan on February 13, 2024, 16:42:20coping somehow by virtue of technological advancement

Quote from: anan on February 13, 2024, 16:42:20farming is super negatively impacted by climate change

would cope totally fine if not stupid govt legislations, both US and EU. eu farmers are protesting not because their farming is being destroyed by climate change lol, they are protesting because govt doesn't let
them have profit

brainwashed 'climate change' zealots are at large wth

QuoteWrong. The oldest thermometer record in the world going back to 1659 shows many changes at the same rate and magnitude as is happening now - Central_England_Temperature_(CET)_(annual_mean,_beginning_in_1659) (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Central_England_temperature#/media/File:20190731_Central_England_Temperature_(CET)_(annual_mean,_beginning_in_1659).png)

Did you actually look at the picture you have linked or are you just paroting this 'fact' from some other source without looking. It clearly shows a warming trend during the last 100 years of > 1 . And even the article where this picture is posted clearly states that this is a result of human caused global warming. Quote from your source:
Both the general warming trend and the hottest year on record at the time, 2014, have been attributed to human-caused climate change using observational and climate model-based techniques. This record was subsequently broken in 2022, when a mean CET of 11.15 C was recorded, 1.68 degrees above the 1961-90 average and breaking the 2014 record by nearly 0.2 Celsius.

Yes I looked at it. Did you? There's a 2C average rise (10-year average) from 1690-1735. There's many other 1C rise and falls through the 19th century at the same rate and magnitude as is happening now. The late-20th century temperature increase is therefore in-line with the natural rate of change. The IPCC and you say the current rate of change is unprecedented. It's not. Yes I am aware that a wikipedia editor and the IPCC said the recent rise has been attributed to human-caused climate change. So what? There is no good evidence that it has (in terms of CO2). The temperature rise is not unusual so it doesn't actually even require an explanation.

The most common response is that the Central England Temperature records are local and not global records. Of course, there are no global records going back that far. There are proxies, but they have other major issues. The CET records for the 20th century match closely global records for that time period, so that's an argument that the records back to 1659 would also match global temperature.

There's so much more to write, many thousands of words in fact. If you're interested in the real debate then I'd advise you as a starting point to look up the names I posted earlier and listen to interviews with them.

Thanks.

Quote from: Anti-propaganda man on February 14, 2024, 18:50:32Yes I looked at it. Did you? There's a 2C average rise (10-year average) from 1690-1735. There's many other 1C rise and falls through the 19th century at the same rate and magnitude as is happening now. The late-20th century temperature increase is therefore in-line with the natural rate of change. The IPCC and you say the current rate of change is unprecedented. It's not. Yes I am aware that a wikipedia editor and the IPCC said the recent rise has been attributed to human-caused climate change. So what? There is no good evidence that it has (in terms of CO2). The temperature rise is not unusual so it doesn't actually even require an explanation.

The most common response is that the Central England Temperature records are local and not global records. Of course, there are no global records going back that far. There are proxies, but they have other major issues. The CET records for the 20th century match closely global records for that time period, so that's an argument that the records back to 1659 would also match global temperature.

There's so much more to write, many thousands of words in fact. If you're interested in the real debate then I'd advise you as a starting point to look up the names I posted earlier and listen to interviews with them.

Thanks.

You are literally cherry picking the data. Smack dab in the middle of the "little ice age".
You are right on one part - your CET example is "very" regional in nature. But it does track the global temperature trend that you can look up in this link: en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Little_Ice_Age

Quote from: anan on February 21, 2024, 17:55:03You are literally cherry picking the data. Smack dab in the middle of the "little ice age".
You are right on one part - your CET example is "very" regional in nature. But it does track the global temperature trend that you can look up in this link: en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Little_Ice_Age

Yes, I know it's at the end of the Little Ice Age... the point is no-one knows what caused that 2C temperature rise or the other 1C rise and falls throughout the 19th century.

Do you agree with the following statement, YES or NO: "The late-20th century temperature increase is therefore in-line with the natural rate of change. The IPCC and you say the current rate of change is unprecedented. It's not."

Quote from the bottom of the wiki article you posted:

QuoteSpontaneous fluctuations in global climate might explain the past variability. It is very difficult to know what the true level of variability from internal causes might be given the existence of other forces, as noted above, whose magnitude may not be known.

For causes of the Little Ice Age, here is some overview:
de.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kleine_Eiszeit#Ursachen

Thanks@Anti-propagandaman for doing the fight against these dumb climate propagandists.

I honestly don't have the energy for that, because every day a new idiot wakes up and parrots every s*** they hear from the media and do not any research themselves of how everything is full of lies, deception and propaganda.

Quote from: Hotz on February 27, 2024, 12:58:38Thanks@Anti-propagandaman for doing the fight against these dumb climate propagandists.

I honestly don't have the energy for that, because every day a new idiot wakes up and parrots every s*** they hear from the media and do not any research themselves of how everything is full of lies, deception and propaganda.

Yes, it's exhausting. There are maybe 50 arguments they have heard and repeat that have to be refuted. I believed climate change was real and probably caused by CO2 for about 20 years, until the past two or three years when I started listening to the real scientific substance of the debate. I'm angry at having been misled for that long and the tactics they use to push this nonsense and silence opposition. The amount of time, money and resources that are being wasted in this global crusade are astronomical.

Sincerely, it's sad to see what used to be a powerful and educated nation being slowly transformed into a "red vs blue" where everything is 1 or 0, with zero critical thinking, and an ever accelerating society collapse.

Some people thought that Covid would transform societies, and better the human spirit, and... in some cases quite the opposite happened. People drinking bleach, injecting horse medicine... and still denying human-made climate change.

It's sad. Very sad.

Some people checked the facts and realized that there is no Covid-19 at all. This is about real critical thinking.

And North America has turned into Lilliput, where sharp-pointed and blunt-pointed people argue about how to properly cook "eggs", which, no matter how you look at them, are still the same mafia...

These are you guys: https://imgur.com/gallery/TOyutm1

It's embarrassing.

Quote from: heffeque on March 03, 2024, 11:31:54It's embarrassing.

posting that meme is embarassing actually, because nowadays you can find contradicting studies on anything and then just cherry-pick to "prove" one point or another. yeah, temperature is rising, but yeah, it's just a normal ending of a little ice age and yeah, temp was even higher in medieval climate optimum, without any human or cow fart influence. so pick your poison and prove whatever you want.

It's especially funny when someone refers to official "experts" but has never verified their claims to the most detailed level. But some people check...

Quote from: heffeque on March 03, 2024, 11:31:54These are you guys: https://imgur.com/gallery/TOyutm1

It's embarrassing.

You mean those financed experts who start everything with "we think", "we believe", "studies show" and such? Experts like:

from Sept. 18, 1995 (nytimes.com) (https://www.nytimes.com/1995/09/18/world/scientists-say-earth-s-warming-could-set-off-wide-disruptions.html)

"At the most likely rate of rise, some experts say, most of the beaches on the East Coast of the United States would be gone in 25 years. They are already disappearing at an average of 2 to 3 feet a year."

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Did most of the EC beaches disappear by 2020?

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Edit: Nope, just checked, they are still there where they were 25-30 years ago.