Ethiopia has decided that only electric cars may be imported into the country. The move is a major step towards sustainable mobility and is ahead of the European Union's plans to ban internal combustion engines from 2035.
https://www.notebookcheck.net/Ethiopia-becomes-first-country-to-ban-internal-combustion-engines-Only-EVs-allowed.802396.0.html
GDP (PPP) Per capita $3,719
Good luck with that, I guess.
Quote from: btetrb on February 11, 2024, 18:12:001400
Yeah I know, I went with PPP instead of nominal, but 1400 makes it even more tragic. On average they will need 2-3 working generations to finally buy one car. Or just walk/drive bicycles (perhaps that was the whole intention behind this decision after all).
This is what a Tyranny looks like.
So old vehicles will be repaired until they are 100% gone and then what? Buy a 25k EV? Some money probably changed hands, this isn't a sane decision.
Quote from: Swizzy on February 11, 2024, 20:08:07Buy a 25k EV?
Yes. Save 60-210 years to get a cheapest EV car on the market (and to catch up with all inflation and stuff).
RIP their economy.
With regard to the tyranny comment. Yeah no build it, they will come and have more and cheaper options than with gas guzzlers. The real tyrants are in the oil industry which destroyed cheap affordable public transit, and forced American to push around 2 tonne metal buckets for the last 100 years...then adding insult to injury using their ill begotten fortunes to corrupt our public representatives into a forever war state draining even more wealth and productivity from American workers. The oil industry is a national security threat. Oil is a useless drug. Time for rehab.
Quote from: Swizzy on February 11, 2024, 20:08:07So old vehicles will be repaired until they are 100% gone and then what? Buy a 25k EV? Some money probably changed hands, this isn't a sane decision.
You can buy a $1000 ev car from China
Don't know what you're talking about, do you?
A lot of people don't know ow what they are talking about in the comments.
You can buy a $1000 ev car from China. So people who are saying $25k ev's are simply ignorant on what's out there.
As for it ruining their economy, how? They spend $6B a year importing fuel. That $6B a year can be better spent on infrastructure projects that will increase the economy.
And tyranny? How is it tyrannical to bot allow products that harm people to be sold?
Lots of dumb Americans in the comments
lol Ethiopia
can't wait to see how things work out.
I mean, Ethiopia is known for hi tech, right?
They will be burning goat dung to generate electricity.
Bankrupt country tries to regulate itself out of a mess caused by regulation. Look how the anti-colonialists have massacred our boy!
Quote from: Zack on February 12, 2024, 03:41:06With regard to the tyranny comment. Yeah no build it, they will come and have more and cheaper options than with gas guzzlers. The real tyrants are in the oil industry which destroyed cheap affordable public transit, and forced American to push around 2 tonne metal buckets for the last 100 years...then adding insult to injury using their ill begotten fortunes to corrupt our public representatives into a forever war state draining even more wealth and productivity from American workers. The oil industry is a national security threat. Oil is a useless drug. Time for rehab.
I mean, sure. But it's a poor country. Should they be the ones to try this experiment? So soon?
Why not just tax oil a bit more, use that to subsidize cars and basic charging network and electricity grid, and then people will make calculations themselves?
If gas is expensive, the rich will be the ones using it mostly.
Not to mention any industrial effort they might have had. We in the developed west have not even tried to electrify vast majority if our industrial activity, so how can that be expected of Ethiopia?
This just seems wrong.
I lived in ethiopia and they don't have the infrastructure to fully transition to an ev only country.
Go Ethiopia ... go!
Rid your country of the international oil cartels that loot and pillage state resource and pollute the environment.
Invest in fast internet access for everybody in order to train
workers to install solar electricity and to manufacture electric vehicles.
Oil is a drug ... time for rehab!
The best way to keep third world countries subjugated is by not letting them have an industrial revolution. The best way to do that is by controlling them. How could they possibly escape if they can't get anywhere? Fossil fuels are rhe cheapest most abundant means of mobility. They will not escape this.
Looks like they are just trying to find a market for their electricity from the soon to be launched hydro plant. Like, the theory is sound: energy carriers are expensive and are usually imported. That means you have to pay for them with foreign currency. If you can substitute them with something locally sourced then you would not bleed that currency.
These rules will likely only apply to new vehicles just to nudge the rich people to push this trend for electrification. How well this will work? You'd have to know statistics on how many new vehicles are imported and such.
Very funny joke. When a country is poor, and a minimum number of people own cars (and most of them have no influence on the corrupt regime), it is very easy to push an agenda for the elite. Is not it? =)
Wow, I can't wait for my passion and hobby to be snuffed out in the coming years. As if it isn't difficult enough being a lower class vehicle enthusiast.
They are opening up a market for China to dump its cheap EVs. Otherwise China is in deep economic trouble.
If Ethiopia can succeed in doing this, it will prevent the country from becoming a dump yard that will take generations to clean. I hope all of Africa will follow Ethiopia's footsteps.
Quote from: Mo Bangs on February 12, 2024, 16:16:10If Ethiopia can succeed in doing this, it will prevent the country from becoming a dump yard that will take generations to clean.
Or one radical and unimaginable solution - simply don't import 20 y.o. trash cars from the Europe?
I have a couple of issues with this article. I don't care if you want to switch to electric vehicles. I want to know how your going to do it. First your link to OEC website only allows one to view up till 2021. But you say that Ethipoia spent 6 billion of fossil fuel imports. In 2021 they spent 3.7 million according to OEC website in 2021 which does not make sense for you to write they spent 6 billion last year. The second part is you did not clarify 6 billion what euros, francs, Deutchmark, dollars. Or even better the Ethiopian Birr. I have a sense that it's 6 billion E birr. Which is about 110 million us dollars. The other interesting thing is the USA is the #1 supplier of oil to Ethiopia. That makes me go hmmmm. Third, you talk about supply from hydro electric dams. But is the supply going to be enough for current expenditure plus the added needs of evs? It would also be nice to know the current vehicle usage x thousands of cars vs public transportation and pedal transportation. Any ways Ethipoa has some balls to try this.
I find it ironic that this person says "people don't know what they are talking about" then goes on to say "dumb American comments". Wow! What a hypocrit! How do they know where the comments come from? Seems like a very stereotypical view, making lots of assumptions of those commenting here.
Quote from: Sky on February 12, 2024, 03:48:55A lot of people don't know ow what they are talking about in the comments.
You can buy a $1000 ev car from China. So people who are saying $25k ev's are simply ignorant on what's out there.
As for it ruining their economy, how? They spend $6B a year importing fuel. That $6B a year can be better spent on infrastructure projects that will increase the economy.
And tyranny? How is it tyrannical to bot allow products that harm people to be sold?
Lots of dumb Americans in the comments
Quote from: Sky on February 12, 2024, 03:48:55A lot of people don't know ow what they are talking about in the comments.
You can buy a $1000 ev car from China. So people who are saying $25k ev's are simply ignorant on what's out there.
As for it ruining their economy, how? They spend $6B a year importing fuel. That $6B a year can be better spent on infrastructure projects that will increase the economy.
And tyranny? How is it tyrannical to bot allow products that harm people to be sold?
Lots of dumb Americans in the comments
And where exactly are you from? Care to explain how strip mining rare minerals is sustainable? Want a real eye opener, Google lithium fields and research the damage mining this crucial battery mineral is to the environment.
Ethiopia cant even afford food. They beg for us to send them spare change to feed them. Fix that problem first.
I think this move Is a move in the right direction Ethiopia is not an advanced nation has no fossil fuels of its own no refineries so it makes sense to go electric . Why because Ethiopia has so much potential free energy from solar
There is a great opportunity for a technological jump if they can save just 20 million in the first year and invest that 20 milluin with another 20 million into solar energy remove all tax and duties on all solar product to encourage investment in Roof top solar
Provide taxfree incentives or loans for private players to erect solar plants to feed into the grid remove all duties on solar batteries and give a rebate in tax to any individuals who install solar this seemingly crazy idea might just work but it will not work with just the ban alone there needs to be a whole host of measures to support the new direction.
They have nothing really to loose. By effecting the ban and everything to gain but the direction needs to be more on solar energy because the irony maybe that the rich owners of electric cars will end up using diesel generators to charge electric vehicles
Of all the things Ethiopia has to worry about, this is the dumb stuff they make #1 priority. Goes to show why its a 3rd world country with decisions like that.
Quote from: Sky on February 12, 2024, 03:45:06You can buy a $1000 ev car from China
Don't know what you're talking about, do you?
...Until you remember that every Ethiopian Birr is equivalent to .018 on the US dollar. Meaning that $1000 is actually 56667.16 Birrs. The average monthly salary is 8900 Birrs, a living wage considered 29000 Birrs. Because of this, many websites are quoting Ethiopia as having around 20% unemployment, 1/5 of every 5 people you see not having a job. All this information attainable by a simple google search.
Don't know what you're talking about, do you?
The facade of no longer importing fossil fuel in full force. The reality today is Ethiopia will be importing the same fossil fuel in another form for a unit price that's much higher. It will look pretty on paper during the first 2 years, but the reality check will come after that when your EV cars faces major technical issues and it cost a whole car to fix. Your people will be the one complaining. We will see.
Glad they got their priorities straight and resolved the starving population issues first.
Quote from: Volt on February 12, 2024, 06:48:03I lived in ethiopia and they don't have the infrastructure to fully transition to an ev only country.
Lol, USA doesn't even have the infrastructure to do this.... we get our electric turned off if too many air conditioners run at the same time, and I'm in NYC.
Maybe first get out of there mud huts and grow some food
Why not drill down for their own oil.
Earth is a carbon planet. The oil is everywhere.
So we went from horses people water wind to steam. From steam to electricity. From Electricity to combustion engine. And then from combustion engine to ?. Why stop when we have always looked for a better way, it's not that they can't do it it's that they don't want to make the change, to much money caught up in their bullsh$t.
Finally a place to dump all of those massively depreciated low range ev's. Thank you Ethiopia....
The sheer number of experts on the matters of economy, environment and sociology is simply astounding
What Ethiopia doesn't have is 34 trillion dollar national debt...
Ethiopia builds car now. So import might by EV but traditional cars might be produced within the country. The move might prevent dumping used cars in Ethiopia.
Quote from: Fanja on February 15, 2024, 10:12:15Ethiopia builds car now. So import might by EV but traditional cars might be produced within the country. The move might prevent dumping used cars in Ethiopia.
Like other extremely backward countries, it cannot do anything without components from developed countries. Even Russia can't.
When you have clowns as leaders, what else do you expect.
Is this a joke?
I really hope they enjoy not having vehicles then. Company's are dropping EV"s like crazy now and going towards hydrogen. EV"s were the worst thing to EVER happen to the automobile industry.
Quote from: Sky on February 12, 2024, 03:45:06Quote from: Swizzy on February 11, 2024, 20:08:07So old vehicles will be repaired until they are 100% gone and then what? Buy a 25k EV? Some money probably changed hands, this isn't a sane decision.
You can buy a $1000 ev car from China
Don't know what you're talking about, do you?
The cheapest imported Chinese EV in South Africa is over $ 35,000. I don't know where you get a $ 1,000 EV from, but I'm guessing it's a bicycle with a small battery.
Go woke, go broke, or starve to ☠.. Ridiculous & pro ev freaks are pathetic cult members.
I hate when people mistake education with intelligence, You can have a degree and still be a idiot
Well timed announcement even as used e v prices plummet. I see ethiopia becoming the dumping ground for used ev's that will not sell in the west. Piles of derelict evs sitting in junkyards with the occasional lithium battery fire burning for days.