It'll be interesting to see how the GE78 HX can deal with all that residual heat from PCIe5 NVMe SSDs when the drives become more widely available later in the year. At least the MSI model has no issues running PCIe4 SSDs at full speed for long periods.https://www.notebookcheck.net/MSI-Raider-GE78-HX-now-available-to-be-one-of-the-first-laptops-with-PCIe5-SSD-support-for-read-rates-of-over-15-GB-s.702517.0.html
Please include some total power consumption testing when comparing pcie gen4 vs gen5 SSDs
This speed is completely meaningless for consumers in practice, because in the x86 camp, read/write/copy bandwidth in RAM does not exceed 80-85GByte/s in the best cases with i9, as opposed to 400GByte/s with Apple's M2 Max. So 15/80 is over 18% of the RAM bandwidth. This means that when you load in parallel on the built-in video card (for example, an external 4k monitor) and other devices, the whole system will lag.
The x86 camp is at a dead end when it comes to RAM speed - for several years now it should be many times faster than in the best solutions for laptops in 2023. AMD is still worse and slower.
You don't need pci-e 5.0 ssds because there is nothing that can use them to their fullest in the x86 camp.
RIP x86....
Quote from: NikoB on March 23, 2023, 11:37:39This speed is completely meaningless for consumers in practice, because in the x86 camp, read/write/copy bandwidth in RAM does not exceed 80-85GByte/s in the best cases with i9, as opposed to 400GByte/s with Apple's M2 Max. So 15/80 is over 18% of the RAM bandwidth. This means that when you load in parallel on the built-in video card (for example, an external 4k monitor) and other devices, the whole system will lag.
The x86 camp is at a dead end when it comes to RAM speed - for several years now it should be many times faster than in the best solutions for laptops in 2023. AMD is still worse and slower.
You don't need pci-e 5.0 ssds because there is nothing that can use them to their fullest in the x86 camp.
RIP x86....
LOL that's a funny joke. Apple silicon never hits those speeds in testing and even the M1 and M2 MBA have such slow storage in their lower configurations, that it's a well known joke in the tech community. Remember how the M2 MBA came out with abysmal storage speeds slower than 1,500mb/s,and this also affected the Mac mini. How can you lie so much and actually think people don't read news about Apple products? 😂. They are slower than 10yr old x86 laptops.
As the NB reviews showed, the M2 Max is as fast as the 5800H, while its integrated graphics card is almost an order of magnitude faster than the 2023 integrated cards from Intel / AMD. And the memory controller is 5 times faster (on paper).
The fact that slow SSDs are used there does not matter.
Unfortunately, neither this site nor anyone else has verified Apple's 400GB/s claim on the M2 Max with a 512-bit controller. If Apple misleads everyone, then this has not yet been proven by anyone. Otherwise, if this statement is really true, the x86 camp is really dead.
Apple gives the same level of performance at 100W total consumption as x86 at 200W+. And this is already a proven fact.