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That's a misleading take, those Bethesda games were already exclusive before Sony did this.

Well no real loss on Final Fantasy XVI. It's being made by Yoshi-P and he has no idea what makes FF special and unique. All he does is bring old FF things and non-FF things into FF14ARR instead of making FF14ARR into it's own game like it was before he took FF14 from it's creator Tanaka. Look at the moogle image released of FF16...it's exactly the same as the ff14 one except with more fur textures...Can only imagine how many other things he is just bringing in from other FF games instead of creating them from scratch...He has no idea what makes FF special and he never will. (Hell, FFXVI isn't even a RPG, it's a freaking action game... smh) So, like I said, no real loss on FFXVI.

I'm thinking you don't actually know what an rpg is

Well that does it im officially not ever going to get to play ff7 on my xbox.  That also ends any possibility of me buying a ps5.  I can't stand this idea of protectionism of games.  Players shouldn't have to buy 2 systems to play certain games

It FFXVI isn't going to be a J-rpg style. That does not automatically make it not an rpg. Any game where you take on the role of a character and are allowed to make decisions or answer on ther behalf is an rpg.
Example: Undertale.

Also, if you think Yoshi-P is the only one who has done this...how many FF games have you played? Not enough to recognize the patterns in the whole series.
FF has always had a veery long running history of borrowing assets, elements and cameos from their own games. There are characters and enemies that are considered staples. Sometimes they get new looks, sometimes later games reference their older looks with a few graphical updates. The company has been doing this since way before Yoshi, and I can guarantee you Tanaka would have done it too given enough time.
Also, you do know ARR takes place in the same world as 1.0, right?
But if you really don't think they have taken any unique angles, go see what they did with Barbariccia from any if her other appearances. Furthest departure from original I've seen yet.

As far as the platforms making things exclusive on game deals...nothing really new there. It's actually more unusual how many games are open platform these days. Exclusive deals used to be the norm.
Most of it comes out on PC eventually anyhow.

Quote from: The Truth on December 25, 2022, 16:55:24Well no real loss on Final Fantasy XVI. It's being made by Yoshi-P and he has no idea what makes FF special and unique. All he does is bring old FF things and non-FF things into FF14ARR instead of making FF14ARR into it's own game like it was before he took FF14 from it's creator Tanaka. Look at the moogle image released of FF16...it's exactly the same as the ff14 one except with more fur textures...Can only imagine how many other things he is just bringing in from other FF games instead of creating them from scratch...He has no idea what makes FF special and he never will. (Hell, FFXVI isn't even a RPG, it's a freaking action game... smh) So, like I said, no real loss on FFXVI.

This is like the worst take on a FF game ever. Which FF have you played? The last FF wasn't even turn based either. SE has moved away from traditional turn based game plays for years now.

Also the moogle has been the same across all games so I don't know what you're on about.

I would MAYBE believe them if they hadn't included BloodBorne on there, it was co-developed by Japan Studio (a 1st Party Sony team) and Sony themselves OWN the IP (same as Demon's Souls) so it wouldn't have ever come to Xbox regardless (wouldn't have been made without Sony) basically the EXACT SAME situation as Crystal Dynamics working on the New Perfect Dark game for Xbox... Why isn't that coming to PS5?

I'm smelling some pretty big bullshit here 🤷�♂️

Quote from: SiShen on December 25, 2022, 15:49:21That's a misleading take, those Bethesda games were already exclusive before Sony did this.

No they weren't 🤦

Sony is only shooting itself in the foot making access to it's games difficult.
Steam is a PC platform. PC gamers have already voted with their money the bringing Sony exclusive games eventually to windows platforms is what they want.
150 million users mean nothing?
It's their choice obviously. But not a good one in my opinion.
I won't miss what I know not. 😁✌️

Quote from: Billy Slone on December 25, 2022, 21:29:46Well that does it im officially not ever going to get to play ff7 on my xbox.  That also ends any possibility of me buying a ps5.  I can't stand this idea of protectionism of games.  Players shouldn't have to buy 2 systems to play certain games

-Nintendo looking at you confusingly but laughing....

This is litterally nothing new. The real golden ages of gaming was all about exclusives, and they haven't exactly stopped ON ANY SIDE so yeah.

Final Fantasy was Playstation exclusive for quite some time before the Ps360 era, so to some of us that have been around for more than 1 decade, not only nothing new but some may even say "back to how it should be.

After taking certain Bethesday/Zenimax games for themselves, serves them right as far as I'm considered.

If Microsoft really wanted more first and second party titles, there are LOADS of studios with many ideas that their current publishers arent letting them roll with, either unadulterated, if at all. Those guys probably would love to become a part of MS considering the support and more than likely, better freedom to do their own passion projects between the "big ones."

Instead they're playing games where an infant can call them out on. I don't feel bad for MS. Activision has a few (boatload of) lessons to learn, and lord knows a few of their IPs would work better without them dictating, but not only do I doubt that MS would be the saving grace for those odd studios, Activision isn't exactly a small player overall.

You just don't do that! Studios are one thing, especially if their stuff is solid and on the roulette table as far as where it would end up as it is, but not a whole HUGE publisher! They shot themselves in the foot with Bethesda. Simple! I'm all about the deal being blocked by regulators on that point alone (something that the mobs seem to overlook for some mind boggling reason)

Activision houses WAAAAAY more than the COD studios guys.

Lmao @ acting like Sony is in the wrong for having exclusives while Microsoft tries to create a monopoly. 

Fuxking Microsoft, you already have PC and XBOX, let other people do business.

Quote from: The Truth on December 25, 2022, 16:55:24Well no real loss on Final Fantasy XVI. It's being made by Yoshi-P and he has no idea what makes FF special and unique. All he does is bring old FF things and non-FF things into FF14ARR instead of making FF14ARR into it's own game like it was before he took FF14 from it's creator Tanaka. Look at the moogle image released of FF16...it's exactly the same as the ff14 one except with more fur textures...Can only imagine how many other things he is just bringing in from other FF games instead of creating them from scratch...He has no idea what makes FF special and he never will. (Hell, FFXVI isn't even a RPG, it's a freaking action game... smh) So, like I said, no real loss on FFXVI.

Quote from: The Truth on December 25, 2022, 16:55:24Well no real loss on Final Fantasy XVI. It's being made by Yoshi-P and he has no idea what makes FF special and unique. All he does is bring old FF things and non-FF things into FF14ARR instead of making FF14ARR into it's own game like it was before he took FF14 from it's creator Tanaka. Look at the moogle image released of FF16...it's exactly the same as the ff14 one except with more fur textures...Can only imagine how many other things he is just bringing in from other FF games instead of creating them from scratch...He has no idea what makes FF special and he never will. (Hell, FFXVI isn't even a RPG, it's a freaking action game... smh) So, like I said, no real loss on FFXVI.

damn NOW THATS A BAD TAKE.Imagine shitting on Yoshi P 😭🤣

Microsoft has only been able to continue making consoles because how much money they have... And halo.  Sony has always had so many exclusive rights to games and content and now they're crying that Microsoft is buying Activision.  Such a selfish move from the Japanese company.  I love Sony but damn they're pretty af.  They started this stupid fight.  And eventually they'll end up making Microsoft screw Sony players in the long-run.  It was only a matter of time until this happened where Sony doesn't get their way.  Good for Microsoft for fighting this fight.  Sony is not for the people.  They've never wanted players to come together. 

Microsoft and Bethesda have been working together since the mid 90s elder scrolls was exclusive to Xbox for a while and it'll be that way once more it's definitely a much bigger deal for Sony to lose elder scrolls and fallout than Microsoft losing final fantasy and a remake from a garbage dev team

So many idiots commenting here. Sony is a bunch of greedy whiny fucks. Now that Microsoft wants to do the SAME thing they been doing for years they cry about it. All they care about is money. Microsoft has tried to get them to be on board with having all games on all platforms forever now but they won't. Same with cross platform play. Every other platform did it first and Sony would not until finally it affected sales/money so much they had to. I mainly game on PC so I have a Switch and a PS5 for exclusive games since I can play any Xbox games on PC and get a better experienc. However if I was only a console gamer I'd definitely go Xbox. f*** Sony.

Meh... Doesn't bother me in the slightest. I don't have an Xbox. Just a Switch, for Mario,Metroid and Zelda. I'm a PC gamer, and I'll just get FF stuff from the Epic Games store. For console, I'd just assume FF was exclusive to Sony anyways.

Silent Hill 2 is a full Remake not a remaster

[code][quote][code]610[/quote][/code][/code]Wow, so many young idiots on this post, exclusivity and blocking of other platforms has been occurring since the beginning of console gaming, just back then there was no social forums for people to whine about it on, get over yourselves and understand this is how it works, us "old" gamers had to have a NES and Sega Master back in the day because of exclusive titles. s*** in the 80-90's when the console wars actually started you had to own multiple systems, more than just 2, at one time I owned 5 just to play all the games I liked, get the f*** over your self righteousness, this is how the game is played and its been happening since before a lot of you were even born.

Ha! It's hilarious that even with this and even IF xbox got Activision I STILL would have absolutely no reason to get an Xbox.

Another laugh is all the entitled kids thinking there should be one monopolized hub for gaming. Sorry you parents won't buy you both!

As long as bill gates keeps buying up farm land and saying we need less people on the planet, ill keep not buying anything from Microsoft.

I wish that Microsoft and Activision would just do the deal and tell these nosy good for nothing government agencies to p*** the f off. They never said s about all the sony exclusives or cared about things like xbox players paying more for less game due to sony exclusive free dlc, despite xbox owners paying the same price for the game. This is absolutely ridiculous. Governments have no business bothering people in this deal. My only guess is that there are politicians kids who are sony fan-bous who have been crying to mommy and daddy that they don't want to play call of duty on their xbox because some of their rich friends swear that sony is better. Or maybe this is just another example of governments wanting to push to get us to a point where we have to ask their permission to take a dump. Idk this is just dumb, screw the American and British governments for wasting time and money with this.

Everyone here is overlooking the main problem with all of this.

The problem is not that Microsoft is making Bethesda titles exclusive, or that both Sony and Microsoft have been making exclusives for years.

The problem is that Sony is now trying to pressure the US government to stop the purchase of Activision by Microsoft by claiming Microsoft might make CoD an Xbox exclusive. Not only is that extremely unlikely, but it's hypocritical AF. Sony has been refusing to play ball with anyone else for a long time. Microsoft did the same thing in the 360 era when it was the dominant console. It's just the smart position for the market leader to be in.

None of that behavior has ever been nor ever will be grounds for interfering with the free market, and that's exactly what Sony is trying to do.

Wish they would have stopped ea from buying the rights to the NFL games. Madden is trash havent played a football game since. Ill continue to have every clan tag in every game as EAFU

Quote from: Meh on December 25, 2022, 22:49:08

Quote from: SiShen on December 25, 2022, 15:49:21That's a misleading take, those Bethesda games were already exclusive before Sony did this.

No they weren't 🤦

Ya they were, before PS5 came out a small video of Elder Scrolls 6 showed on PS5 then it was taken away after Microsoft bought Bethesda. So I really dont care if Sony starts blocking stuff from Microsoft.

Quote from: Kas on December 26, 2022, 16:46:39Everyone here is overlooking the main problem with all of this.

The problem is not that Microsoft is making Bethesda titles exclusive, or that both Sony and Microsoft have been making exclusives for years.

The problem is that Sony is now trying to pressure the US government to stop the purchase of Activision by Microsoft by claiming Microsoft might make CoD an Xbox exclusive. Not only is that extremely unlikely, but it's hypocritical AF. Sony has been refusing to play ball with anyone else for a long time. Microsoft did the same thing in the 360 era when it was the dominant console. It's just the smart position for the market leader to be in.

None of that behavior has ever been nor ever will be grounds for interfering with the free market, and that's exactly what Sony is trying to do.

It's amazing that you are trying to quote a free market, while Microsoft, much like Disney and the phone companies, are attempting to create a monopoly.

Which happens to be illegal in the United States.

The nerve on Sony to scream and cry over COD while they continue to make bs moves like this... smfh. Sony fan boys just sit and laugh but this isnt good for anyone.

Lmao looks like Sony is doomed to be Sega sooner than later...

Quote from: Billy Slone on December 25, 2022, 21:29:46Well that does it im officially not ever going to get to play ff7 on my xbox.  That also ends any possibility of me buying a ps5.  I can't stand this idea of protectionism of games.  Players shouldn't have to buy 2 systems to play certain games

Actually yes they should and they do amd have done so for decades. Get a clue kid

Quote from: Blehhh on December 27, 2022, 02:39:39Lmao looks like Sony is doomed to be Sega sooner than later...

Yeah right. Sony has dominated for decades and will continue to do so.

Sony Sucks. Playstation sucks. They only are doing this out of selfish pitiful pride. Besides FF sux anymore the series has abandoned what made the series great. That is FF 8.9. the rest are garbage. Now if Xbox would share some exclusive games for all systems AND Sony did the same, then there would be ALLOT bigger player base. More people buying your games means to your companies make more $$$ That's all you care about anyway. If WE the consumers quit buying out of spite like you are by blocking, then you all would be out of business. Don't like it we'll I don't care what you think. Enough said.

I can not for feeble console fights. PC still has all the games. Including the good sony games timed or not I can wait.

-Laughs in PC Master Race-

Sony is in wrong here. but theyll only shoot themself in the foot. Xbox will play hard ball because of this. Cod, Elder scrolls, Fallout, star field, everything else will be locked down.

FF has been FF forever and i could care less about any of it. 13 was last great game.

Sony hasnt dominated anything since ps2 days it will become Sega very soon.

then again spencer is a nice guy to the core i hope he wises up and makes them pay.

Sony are crybaby losers.

Both corporations are evil and greedy. Keep that in mind.

But so far Microsoft also has offered benefits to customers due to that greed. I mean subscription services usually  cost customers more in the long run. Only I already have been able to play so many day one games because of it that I am willing to keep paying for this service.

The best of all, the service can be provided on many platforms. You can even play on some TV's without owning a console.
In that regard Microsoft is a little smarter because it offers more alternatives.

I could have already bought an overpriced PS5. But out of principle I refuse to pay more. I get that maybe Sony can't be held responsible for the scalpers and chip shortages. However, they do make it quite difficult to purchase the console directly from them. I seriously considered buying the highest tier ps plus subscription. But Sony weren't planning to put day one games on there. Then what's the point og having this tier? Exactly. So I canceled my whole ps plus membership and haven't bought a game from psn for quite a while.

In the end it's about the games. They should make it easier for you to consume them. Not the opposite.

Quote from: chrichtonsworld on December 27, 2022, 08:50:54Both corporations are evil and greedy. Keep that in mind.

But so far Microsoft also has offered benefits to customers due to that greed. I mean subscription services usually  cost customers more in the long run. Only I already have been able to play so many day one games because of it that I am willing to keep paying for this service.

The best of all, the service can be provided on many platforms. You can even play on some TV's without owning a console.
In that regard Microsoft is a little smarter because it offers more alternatives.

I could have already bought an overpriced PS5. But out of principle I refuse to pay more. I get that maybe Sony can't be held responsible for the scalpers and chip shortages. However, they do make it quite difficult to purchase the console directly from them. I seriously considered buying the highest tier ps plus subscription. But Sony weren't planning to put day one games on there. Then what's the point og having this tier? Exactly. So I canceled my whole ps plus membership and haven't bought a game from psn for quite a while.

In the end it's about the games. They should make it easier for you to consume them. Not the opposite.

The PS5 has been easy to obtain from PS store since summer this year. And if games first day in a sub service is make or break for you,how'd you ever game prior to last gen?

Lol this of funny ain't making me anymore Xbox curious Xbox and Microsoft are scum

Quote from: HulkMode666 on December 26, 2022, 00:28:40

Quote from: Billy Slone on December 25, 2022, 21:29:46Well that does it im officially not ever going to get to play ff7 on my xbox.  That also ends any possibility of me buying a ps5.  I can't stand this idea of protectionism of games.  Players shouldn't have to buy 2 systems to play certain games

-Nintendo looking at you confusingly but laughing....

This is litterally nothing new. The real golden ages of gaming was all about exclusives, and they haven't exactly stopped ON ANY SIDE so yeah.

I also was really looking forward to playing FfVII remake on xbox :( 

Quote from: The Truth on December 25, 2022, 16:55:24Well no real loss on Final Fantasy XVI. It's being made by Yoshi-P and he has no idea what makes FF special and unique. All he does is bring old FF things and non-FF things into FF14ARR instead of making FF14ARR into it's own game like it was before he took FF14 from it's creator Tanaka. Look at the moogle image released of FF16...it's exactly the same as the ff14 one except with more fur textures...Can only imagine how many other things he is just bringing in from other FF games instead of creating them from scratch...He has no idea what makes FF special and he never will. (Hell, FFXVI isn't even a RPG, it's a freaking action game... smh) So, like I said, no real loss on FFXVI.

I can tell you don't actually play FF14 because your bias for some golden era is as exposed as Jim Sterling's avarice.  Yoshi has used past FF content as flavors to enhance the unique story within each expansion.  FF14 is not just nostalgia bait in MMO form.  There is a difference between what you accuse and how FF14 used enemies and characters from previous entries to enhance its own story.  Perhaps you should actually take part in the free trial so you can understand how wrong your statement is and how many things Yoshi has made from scratch.   

Quote from: JayV on December 26, 2022, 06:24:55Microsoft has only been able to continue making consoles because how much money they have... And halo.  Sony has always had so many exclusive rights to games and content and now they're crying that Microsoft is buying Activision.  Such a selfish move from the Japanese company.  I love Sony but damn they're pretty af.  They started this stupid fight.  And eventually they'll end up making Microsoft screw Sony players in the long-run.  It was only a matter of time until this happened where Sony doesn't get their way.  Good for Microsoft for fighting this fight.  Sony is not for the people.  They've never wanted players to come together. 

WTF are you talking about? What fight? These companies have always been in competition. You're talking like Microsoft is fighting Sony on your behalf. Neither of these companies are "for the people" get your head out of your a**. They make an entertainment product, and only want your money. And you decide if that product is what you want and buy it, or you dont. Playstation has the games I like so I roll with a PS5. Simple as that. If XBox had more games I'd want to play then if buy an XBox. Could care less about waving a flag for one or the other. But clearly this dude has lost the plot and bleeding green.

Platform(s). Lets be honest there are only 3 platforms that currently can play those titles mentioned. PlayStation, Xbox and Windows. Nintendo? I'm mean they did port Nier automata in 2022 but that took them 5 years after initial PS launch in 2017.

Quote from: @man_daddio on December 25, 2022, 23:35:57Sony is only shooting itself in the foot making access to it's games difficult.
Steam is a PC platform. PC gamers have already voted with their money the bringing Sony exclusive games eventually to windows platforms is what they want.
150 million users mean nothing?
It's their choice obviously. But not a good one in my opinion.
I won't miss what I know not. 😁✌️

Really because both companies have been doing this for literal decades. No one is shooting themselves in the foot. Exclusivity, as much as it sucks for us, is just smart business sense. It's quite clear you don't miss what you don't know. Common sense.

Bloodborne is a Sony owned IP anyways. Article is stupid and bait.

Quote from: JayV on December 26, 2022, 06:24:55Microsoft has only been able to continue making consoles because how much money they have... And halo.  Sony has always had so many exclusive rights to games and content and now they're crying that Microsoft is buying Activision.  Such a selfish move from the Japanese company.  I love Sony but damn they're pretty af.  They started this stupid fight.  And eventually they'll end up making Microsoft screw Sony players in the long-run.  It was only a matter of time until this happened where Sony doesn't get their way.  Good for Microsoft for fighting this fight.  Sony is not for the people.  They've never wanted players to come together. 

Heh, gayeeee!

Quote from: JayV on December 26, 2022, 06:24:55Microsoft has only been able to continue making consoles because how much money they have... And halo.  Sony has always had so many exclusive rights to games and content and now they're crying that Microsoft is buying Activision.  Such a selfish move from the Japanese company.  I love Sony but damn they're pretty af.  They started this stupid fight.  And eventually they'll end up making Microsoft screw Sony players in the long-run.  It was only a matter of time until this happened where Sony doesn't get their way.  Good for Microsoft for fighting this fight.  Sony is not for the people.  They've never wanted players to come together. 

Gayeeee!

Quote from: Meh on December 25, 2022, 22:48:23I would MAYBE believe them if they hadn't included BloodBorne on there, it was co-developed by Japan Studio (a 1st Party Sony team) and Sony themselves OWN the IP (same as Demon's Souls) so it wouldn't have ever come to Xbox regardless (wouldn't have been made without Sony) basically the EXACT SAME situation as Crystal Dynamics working on the New Perfect Dark game for Xbox... Why isn't that coming to PS5?

I'm smelling some pretty big bullshit here 🤷�♂️

Lol, what? Bloodbourne wasn't even PS IP. From software came with the project & Pony agreed to publish on one condition that it would not come to Xbox. It was through & through FromSoftware's project.  But, perfect dark is through & through Xbox project. They are just taking some help from crystal dynamics. That's it. But, by your silly logic any Zenimax game by default should be Xbox exclusive. There shouldn't be any debate at all. Then why ponies are crying all over the world.

Quote from: Koba on December 26, 2022, 21:23:50

Quote from: Kas on December 26, 2022, 16:46:39Everyone here is overlooking the main problem with all of this.

The problem is not that Microsoft is making Bethesda titles exclusive, or that both Sony and Microsoft have been making exclusives for years.

The problem is that Sony is now trying to pressure the US government to stop the purchase of Activision by Microsoft by claiming Microsoft might make CoD an Xbox exclusive. Not only is that extremely unlikely, but it's hypocritical AF. Sony has been refusing to play ball with anyone else for a long time. Microsoft did the same thing in the 360 era when it was the dominant console. It's just the smart position for the market leader to be in.

None of that behavior has ever been nor ever will be grounds for interfering with the free market, and that's exactly what Sony is trying to do.

It's amazing that you are trying to quote a free market, while Microsoft, much like Disney and the phone companies, are attempting to create a monopoly.

Which happens to be illegal in the United States.

It seems people don't realize how important the monopoly law is. Without it Apple would not have survived the 90's. We might not have gotten an Xbox if Microsoft wasn't forced to separate into 4 pillars

I don't see anywhere that it says any contractual agreement for third party games was made permanently.

That is not an actual fact, Microsoft don't say it, and the biggest thing everyone ignores here is that PC is windows. 

Sony is giving Microsoft windows it's games, and ironically the exact method (through buying out the others) is why PC is synonymous with Microsoft windows, because they have the monopoly on personal computing, so much so even a wonderful and free os can't take more than a percent of people, and every last person here is forced to accept giving up all your privacy using windows just to install since windows 10.  There is no real alternative or competition.

Yeah yeah, I don't care what company you like, monopolies end terribly.

Apple also makes PC's. Winows is an operating system for PC owned by Microsoft.

Quote from: HulkMode666 on December 26, 2022, 00:42:10Final Fantasy was Playstation exclusive for quite some time before the Ps360 era, so to some of us that have been around for more than 1 decade, not only nothing new but some may even say "back to how it should be.

After taking certain Bethesday/Zenimax games for themselves, serves them right as far as I'm considered.

If Microsoft really wanted more first and second party titles, there are LOADS of studios with many ideas that their current publishers arent letting them roll with, either unadulterated, if at all. Those guys probably would love to become a part of MS considering the support and more than likely, better freedom to do their own passion projects between the "big ones."

Instead they're playing games where an infant can call them out on. I don't feel bad for MS. Activision has a few (boatload of) lessons to learn, and lord knows a few of their IPs would work better without them dictating, but not only do I doubt that MS would be the saving grace for those odd studios, Activision isn't exactly a small player overall.

You just don't do that! Studios are one thing, especially if their stuff is solid and on the roulette table as far as where it would end up as it is, but not a whole HUGE publisher! They shot themselves in the foot with Bethesda. Simple! I'm all about the deal being blocked by regulators on that point alone (something that the mobs seem to overlook for some mind boggling reason)

Activision houses WAAAAAY more than the COD studios guys.

Lol they just bought the studio they weren't blocking the games from other game systems until Sony did this. What are you on about lol sounds like you just have it out for xbox or you're a ps stan

I have all of the consoles and still hate the fact that there are exclusive games, im not rich, i have poured blood into getting all that stuff, and it is getting rediculous. Permanently exclusive games are stupid, timed exclusive games are somewhat stupid. Games used to be about the expirience, about the amazing story and realistic graphics. Now it's all about the money, subscriptions, sell, buy... It's gotten really expensive to be a gamer and i am heavily invested in the storylines of many games, especially exclusive ones like ff, spiderman, halo, etc. I feel like i wanna drop everything and start playing wow again but then i remember how sexist blizzard studios are. Just stop it. Please. None should spend THAT MUCH MONEY on gaming.