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Title: NVIDIA Tegra T239: New leak offers clues about rumours next-generation Nintendo Switch chipset
Post by: Redaktion on September 21, 2022, 13:44:46
The existence of the NVIDIA Tegra T239 has been more or less confirmed, with Linux kernel support added for the unreleased chipset. Expected to be a customised version of the Tegra T234, the Tegra T329 is rumoured to power a next-generation Nintendo Switch, possibly the Switch Pro or the Switch 2.

https://www.notebookcheck.net/NVIDIA-Tegra-T239-New-leak-offers-clues-about-rumours-next-generation-Nintendo-Switch-chipset.654330.0.html
Title: Re: NVIDIA Tegra T239: New leak offers clues about rumours next-generation Nintendo Switch chipset
Post by: Sandalfo on September 21, 2022, 15:39:11
2048 Ampere cores is almost a mobile 3050, depending on the frequency.
Coupled with 8*A78 cores it would be a big boost over classic switch.

4TFlops is close to PS4Pro GPU power (AMD 570 GCN).
A mobile PS4Pro with some ray tracing and DLSS 2 capabilities
would be a very competitive product indeed.

I just wish nintendo does not wait too long to release this product
, before it is outdated at least.

 FullHD conversions of AAA titles such
as Cyberpunk 2077 with light ray tracing is feasible with such specs,
i guess many people would buy under 500$.
And it would be very good competition for the Steam Deck and other
gaming mobile PCs (Ayav, GPD, OneXplayer, etc.)
Title: Re: NVIDIA Tegra T239: New leak offers clues about rumours next-generation Nintendo Switch chipset
Post by: 88&88 on September 21, 2022, 15:45:46
Quote#1 Sandalfo 4 minutes ago
2048 Ampere cores is almost a mobile 3050, depending on the frequency.
Coupled with 8*A78 cores it would be a big boost over classic switch.

4TFlops is close to PS4Pro GPU power (AMD 570 GCN).
A mobile PS4Pro with some ray tracing and DLSS 2 capabilities
would be a very competitive product indeed.

I just wish nintendo does not wait too long to release this product
, before it is outdated at least.

FullHD conversions of AAA titles such
as Cyberpunk 2077 with light ray tracing is feasible with such specs,
i guess many people would buy under 500$.
And it would be very good competition for the Steam Deck and other
gaming mobile PCs (Ayav, GPD, OneXplayer, etc.)

same your thought! Hope to see this processor on Raspberry Pi V or even on nVidia Jetson because it's a monster APU
Title: Re: NVIDIA Tegra T239: New leak offers clues about rumours next-generation Nintendo Switch chipset
Post by: Llamageton on September 22, 2022, 02:53:35
That's some weapons-grade hopium you got there. None of what's in that rumor will be remotely true, besides maybe the model number.
Title: Re: NVIDIA Tegra T239: New leak offers clues about rumours next-generation Nintendo Switch chipset
Post by: HyruleanKnight on September 22, 2022, 03:30:04
There are two different versions of the Orin chip, one being the T243 and the other T239. Since the chip in question is the T239, the actual specification is very different from what is being reported in this article.

Rather than the 12-core Cortex A78 CPU and 2048-core Ampere GPU found on the T234 chip, we're instead looking at the T239's 8-core Cortex A78 CPU and 1024-core Ampere GPU. This chip can run on a power range of 10-25W, and taking into account Nintendo's "customization" of the T210 chip in the original Switch (where they basically disabled the A53 cores and down-clocked both the CPU and GPU), we can't say for sure they'll make FULL use of the T239 chip either. For context, the current Switch barely uses more than 5W on the die, so they're going to have to cut down heavily if they want to maintain the current form-factor.


Perhaps to allow for low yields and/or lower costs they may once again disable CPU cores and maybe even GPU cores, and reduce clocks on both as well. Remember, the T239 chip itself goes into production at the end of 2022, meaning even if the Switch's successor were to arrive in 2024 they're still going to need this chip to be SUPER cheap as well as available in massive volume.

So here's my REALISTIC prediction of what the next-gen Switch will be like:

CPU - 6-8 cores, not sure how they'll clock it though

GPU - either they'll use all 1024 cores and run at a very low clock, or more likely they'll disable a few and clock it higher

RAM - 8GB LPDDR5 on a 128-bit bus with around 4x the bandwidth, at around 102Gbps. This is a big deal, and should never be a bottleneck for any game throughout it's lifetime. I doubt they'll go for 16GB because a) They'll never need it and b) Cost

This chip does have Tensor and RT cores, but whether Nintendo will make use of them in favor of low power is up in the air. For image up-scaling they might try using FSR instead, which doesn't cost them extra Watts. Or use the Tensor cores to upscale only when docked.

So we're going to have a Switch that's still slower than the VCR Xbox One on battery and somewhere between the VCR Xbox One and the PS4 when docked. That's still woefully underpowered by today's standards, so in the end they'll just be maintaining the status quo along side the PS5 and Xbox One S/X.

Title: Re: NVIDIA Tegra T239: New leak offers clues about rumours next-generation Nintendo Switch chipset
Post by: Spunjji on September 22, 2022, 11:44:37
It's never going to be Orin. The "customised" version is still a much larger die than X1, just with large sections of it disabled. There's no way Nintendo will be paying Nvidia to make such a large chip, only to have huge parts of it running dark to hit their required TDP.
Title: Re: NVIDIA Tegra T239: New leak offers clues about rumours next-generation Nintendo Switch chipset
Post by: Sukhoi on September 23, 2022, 02:00:26
This will be nice for the edge AI use cases it'll ACTUALLY be used in
Title: Re: NVIDIA Tegra T239: New leak offers clues about rumours next-generation Nintendo Switch chipset
Post by: Mopow on September 24, 2022, 17:49:29
The release date of the Switch 2 is May 12th 2023. A zelda or Mario game always releases with new hardware thats when Zeld Bow 2 releases.

Also Nintendo always use old obsolete hardwware on their handhelds like the GB had had a z80 (15 yrs old by the time of GB release). Its one of their motos

So wont be using anything to upto date, I hope they get a Soc thta will atleast play GTA VI at least, thats should see them OK for the next 10 years
Title: Re: NVIDIA Tegra T239: New leak offers clues about rumours next-generation Nintendo Switch chipset
Post by: NobodySpecial on September 28, 2022, 17:13:00
Please actually look at the sources and report them accurately.

The T239 is the t234 derivative that fits in the suspicious gap between Orin NX (8 SM) and the Orin AGX 32 (14 SM).

It has 1 Ampere GPC, containing 12 SM with 128 Cuda cores each for 1,536.

It has 1 CPU cluster that contains 8 CPU cores, instead of the usual 4, removing the need to dedicate die space to cluster switching logic. The CPU has not been confirmed, but every other product in the t234 line uses arm a78's.