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Everything that was written in this and Ars Technica's article can be explained in a single term: Android compatibility layer.
This comment from xda sums up my thoughts perfectly so I'll just repost it here.

"It is fake - android is there similar to how linux is available in windows through wsl, but using the same kernel (Linux) and with deeper integration through Ark compiler engine and similar stuff. Android support is completely pluggable.

Also who said adb works natively in Harmony? What if they use an own debug protocol (should check that). Android subsystem most probably works in a sandbox with optional bridging.

It is insecure to modularly plug a set of apps from an other os, which has a completely different security model, into host os. You will definitely sandbox it, resulting in adb seeing its own, dedicated filesystem tree, withouth having access to harmony os filesystem except when given perms by user.

Phone harmonyos is still linux based after all, and thus it has chroot and all these cool things like namespaces, cgroups, etc.

Another example is Anbox - it is a containerized Android runtime for Linux. It uses host kernel through the host kernels isolation methods i just mentioned above. And, oh wow, if you adb to the pc with anbox, you will see android directory structure, not host pc one.

To the author: please, goddamn stop ignoring *official* documentation made by Huawei and Linux kernel developers, knowing that stuff will prevent you from making such articles."

Ok, wumao.

Now, tell us why Huawei is still saying this is a "brand new revolutionary OS" when it is still using Android in the background? Why couldnt they say "Ok guys, we are using Android as a base, but with our own interpretation of it"?

A brand new OS would be written from zero for most stuff, including kernel, like SailfishOS and Meego did in its time. Even WP is kind of its own thing for most of the stuff it had.

Of course, there are some general and standard stuff that can be shared between OS but what Huawei did is shameful, not because of their approach, but because of them trying to save face by lying so blatantly.

Quote from: kek on February 03, 2021, 02:31:38
Ok, wumao.

Now, tell us why Huawei is still saying this is a "brand new revolutionary OS" when it is still using Android in the background? Why couldnt they say "Ok guys, we are using Android as a base, but with our own interpretation of it"?

A brand new OS would be written from zero for most stuff, including kernel, like SailfishOS and Meego did in its time. Even WP is kind of its own thing for most of the stuff it had.

Of course, there are some general and standard stuff that can be shared between OS but what Huawei did is shameful, not because of their approach, but because of them trying to save face by lying so blatantly.

You do know that when you use "wumao" to call others, you basically invaildate anything you say right lol. Not sure if you know what that word means you poor brainwashed man. Laughing at how ignorant you can be :). Get a life man.

It looks like android
It is identified like android

But Huawei is advertising it like a new os? well well...Chinese doing what it is best at: Copying stuff.

Honestly, I don't know why people even bother with these chinese brands at all. Poor design, copies, and the unsafety of being made in China. 

Id rather pay triple in reputable brands.

So it's Okay of Android claims to be a new OS but under the hood it recks with Linux kernel and some gnu library tools. Before you write an article about Harmony OS being a rebranded Android try to think for a minute that Android was never build from scratch either. Android is just a reimplementation of the Linux Kernel without this kernel Android wouldn't been born. Do your research man Huawei is just doing what Android did back in the days claiming that it is a new OS but infact it's just Linux rebranded! Drop the 🎤

Quote from: Heads up on February 03, 2021, 01:13:56
Everything that was written in this and Ars Technica's article can be explained in a single term: Android compatibility layer.
This comment from xda sums up my thoughts perfectly so I'll just repost it here.

"It is fake - android is there similar to how linux is available in windows through wsl, but using the same kernel (Linux) and with deeper integration through Ark compiler engine and similar stuff. Android support is completely pluggable.

Also who said adb works natively in Harmony? What if they use an own debug protocol (should check that). Android subsystem most probably works in a sandbox with optional bridging.

It is insecure to modularly plug a set of apps from an other os, which has a completely different security model, into host os. You will definitely sandbox it, resulting in adb seeing its own, dedicated filesystem tree, withouth having access to harmony os filesystem except when given perms by user.

Phone harmonyos is still linux based after all, and thus it has chroot and all these cool things like namespaces, cgroups, etc.

Another example is Anbox - it is a containerized Android runtime for Linux. It uses host kernel through the host kernels isolation methods i just mentioned above. And, oh wow, if you adb to the pc with anbox, you will see android directory structure, not host pc one.

To the author: please, goddamn stop ignoring *official* documentation made by Huawei and Linux kernel developers, knowing that stuff will prevent you from making such articles."

"drop the 🎤 bro!" I was about to comment to the author but after seeing your post it changed mind  somebody already taught the lazy author to do a research!

Quote from: kek on February 03, 2021, 02:31:38
Ok, wumao.

Now, tell us why Huawei is still saying this is a "brand new revolutionary OS" when it is still using Android in the background? Why couldnt they say "Ok guys, we are using Android as a base, but with our own interpretation of it"?

A brand new OS would be written from zero for most stuff, including kernel, like SailfishOS and Meego did in its time. Even WP is kind of its own thing for most of the stuff it had.

Of course, there are some general and standard stuff that can be shared between OS but what Huawei did is shameful, not because of their approach, but because of them trying to save face by lying so blatantly.

Android is in the FOREGROUND that is visible to users. Harmony's kernel and Arc Compiler does all the jobs in the background. They don't use Android as a 'base', but as a mere surface layer that exists to keep the compatibility with existing Android apps in tact. This shouldn't be too hard to understand.
You should also stop calling people kindly informing others 'Wumao' just because you don't agree with them. It doesn't add anything to the conversation but merely shows that you're a sinophobic prick who likes namecalling others.

Quote from: Gus on February 03, 2021, 11:26:18
It looks like android
It is identified like android

But Huawei is advertising it like a new os? well well...Chinese doing what it is best at: Copying stuff.

Honestly, I don't know why people even bother with these chinese brands at all. Poor design, copies, and the unsafety of being made in China. 

Id rather pay triple in reputable brands.

What do you mean so if Google does the copying from the opensource community it's okay? You have double standard sir! Android is a copy of Linux so basically Google copied from us the Linux community. But they also blantly said that Android was original what do you have to say to that!

Quote from: AshNonok on February 03, 2021, 12:38:33

Quote from: Gus on February 03, 2021, 11:26:18
It looks like android
It is identified like android

But Huawei is advertising it like a new os? well well...Chinese doing what it is best at: Copying stuff.

Honestly, I don't know why people even bother with these chinese brands at all. Poor design, copies, and the unsafety of being made in China. 

Id rather pay triple in reputable brands.

What do you mean so if Google does the copying from the opensource community it's okay? You have double standard sir! Android is a copy of Linux so basically Google copied from us the Linux community. But they also blantly said that Android was original what do you have to say to that!

Android is a branding for certified Google devices in their ecosystem. See the wiki page on this. The OS itself is still open source, so Google contributes to the project and other people like ASOP are free to use it. Only proprietary components like GMS are non-open source. Does Huawei HarmonulyOS contribute to the ope source community? I don't think so.
Linux is open source for anyone to use, but there are licensing conditions. No one says Huawei can't use Linux or open source code, but it needs to acknowledge it as such. If HarmonyOS is based on Android but Huawei does not acknowledge it and instead says it is new, then that is a huge departure from what Google does. That would be theft. Android is also not a copy of Linux. Linux here refers to the kernel. That is what is used under Android. Google legally acquired Android Inc. in 2005, which became a subdivision that created the Android OS using a Linux kernel. The number of things shared between Android OS and Linux is basically the kernel. However the number of things shared by HarmonyOS and Android is way beyond a simple kernel by this article. People who don't know Linux talking about Linux thinking it is like Windows and monolithic, including all sorts of GUI and apps, when core Linux components are extremely light weight and what you call Linux, is nothing more than a kernel.

Quote from: Heads up on February 03, 2021, 12:34:40

Quote from: kek on February 03, 2021, 02:31:38
Ok, wumao.

Now, tell us why Huawei is still saying this is a "brand new revolutionary OS" when it is still using Android in the background? Why couldnt they say "Ok guys, we are using Android as a base, but with our own interpretation of it"?

A brand new OS would be written from zero for most stuff, including kernel, like SailfishOS and Meego did in its time. Even WP is kind of its own thing for most of the stuff it had.

Of course, there are some general and standard stuff that can be shared between OS but what Huawei did is shameful, not because of their approach, but because of them trying to save face by lying so blatantly.

Android is in the FOREGROUND that is visible to users. Harmony's kernel and Arc Compiler does all the jobs in the background. They don't use Android as a 'base', but as a mere surface layer that exists to keep the compatibility with existing Android apps in tact. This shouldn't be too hard to understand.
You should also stop calling people kindly informing others 'Wumao' just because you don't agree with them. It doesn't add anything to the conversation but merely shows that you're a sinophobic prick who likes namecalling others.

Wumao is a real thing though, it is an army of online misinformation and troll experts supported by the CCP. According to wikipedia: The 50 Cent Party or 50 Cent Army is a term for Internet commentators as being reportedly hired by the authorities of the People's Republic of China in an attempt to manipulate public opinion to the benefit of the governing Chinese Communist Party.

As this is a Huawei article, Huawei gets a lot of CCP support, I'm not surprised to find wumaos around. I'm not saying anyone is, or isn't, but I would be surprised if there weren't any.

Quote from: sjoif on February 03, 2021, 13:18:59

Quote from: Heads up on February 03, 2021, 12:34:40

Quote from: kek on February 03, 2021, 02:31:38
Ok, wumao.

Now, tell us why Huawei is still saying this is a "brand new revolutionary OS" when it is still using Android in the background? Why couldnt they say "Ok guys, we are using Android as a base, but with our own interpretation of it"?

A brand new OS would be written from zero for most stuff, including kernel, like SailfishOS and Meego did in its time. Even WP is kind of its own thing for most of the stuff it had.

Of course, there are some general and standard stuff that can be shared between OS but what Huawei did is shameful, not because of their approach, but because of them trying to save face by lying so blatantly.

Android is in the FOREGROUND that is visible to users. Harmony's kernel and Arc Compiler does all the jobs in the background. They don't use Android as a 'base', but as a mere surface layer that exists to keep the compatibility with existing Android apps in tact. This shouldn't be too hard to understand.
You should also stop calling people kindly informing others 'Wumao' just because you don't agree with them. It doesn't add anything to the conversation but merely shows that you're a sinophobic prick who likes namecalling others.

Wumao is a real thing though, it is an army of online misinformation and troll experts supported by the CCP. According to wikipedia: The 50 Cent Party or 50 Cent Army is a term for Internet commentators as being reportedly hired by the authorities of the People's Republic of China in an attempt to manipulate public opinion to the benefit of the governing Chinese Communist Party.

As this is a Huawei article, Huawei gets a lot of CCP support, I'm not surprised to find wumaos around. I'm not saying anyone is, or isn't, but I would be surprised if there weren't any.

Yeah, I know that they exist on the internet. But that doesn't change the fact that 'kek' guy was being sinophobic, his insult towards me was unnecessary given the context and he made himself look like a douche by adding that single line in his otherwise non-problematic (though inaccurate) comment.

The article sounds so shallow even for a non technical person like firstly Emui is not an operating system, but only a customised skin for Huawei devices. Your article is grossly misleading

Typical Huawei. Secrecy surrounding their shady business, faking proprietary solutions as part of the scam of snatching government contracts and subsidies, the Party tries very hard to disguise the process of moving money from their left pocket to their right as normal commercial activity of the government-civilian sort, but Huawei needs to put a bit of effort into the disguise on their end as well. A shell like this is also all it takes to please the domestic jingoists.

Not really. You are missing the point. HarmonyOS 2.0 has its own kernel, all be it Linux-kernel derived.

Upon their kernel is their KAL, kernel abstract layer.

The KAL serves the similar containerization functions as Linux LXC/LXD layer does, where any user space third party OS can run. In this case, the user space is Android.

Architected in such a way will provide a smooth migration of all the user apps down the road, which is a good transitional strategy.

You can run Unix under Windows 10 server kernel, but you still call it a Windows OS.

What you described is the user space os, not the kernel.

See attached diagram of HarmonyOS 2.0 kernel, KAL, and other system components:

Quote from: S.Yu on February 04, 2021, 00:21:02
Typical Huawei. Secrecy surrounding their shady business, faking proprietary solutions as part of the scam of snatching government contracts and subsidies, the Party tries very hard to disguise the process of moving money from their left pocket to their right as normal commercial activity of the government-civilian sort, but Huawei needs to put a bit of effort into the disguise on their end as well. A shell like this is also all it takes to please the domestic jingoists.

Read comment #1 and #14.

Lol who's even writing these dumb articles nowadays? Can't believe XDA and Ars don't know the first thing about what they're writing claiming Harmony OS is the same as Android when it's different at kernel level and only includes an Android framework for compatibility. Windows can run Android apps too using an emulator does that mean Windows and Android are the same? Whoever's posting this dumb stuff needs to stop embarrassing themselves and learn the basics first.

Anything designed or created by china is trash. I'd never buy a product from them

HarmonyOS is a pure clone of Android 10. The so-called New microkernel was never built, and the kernel is neither new or micro. It's 100% the Android kernel with no modification.
Now, Android did use linux at it's base, but they've always made their SDK public and released all code publicly. Meanwhile HarmonyOS is illegally closed source, because they haven't had the time to rebrand the code and pretend they wrote it.
They can spin in anyway they want, invent whatever story, it's a rebranded clone, with identical structure and kernel.

Quote from: Polygon on February 04, 2021, 13:23:28

Quote from: S.Yu on February 04, 2021, 00:21:02
Typical Huawei. Secrecy surrounding their shady business, faking proprietary solutions as part of the scam of snatching government contracts and subsidies, the Party tries very hard to disguise the process of moving money from their left pocket to their right as normal commercial activity of the government-civilian sort, but Huawei needs to put a bit of effort into the disguise on their end as well. A shell like this is also all it takes to please the domestic jingoists.

Read comment #1 and #14.

And you should read more into how Huawei does business. Huawei's Kunpeng server processors built on ARM stock cores (not unlike Kirin) easily snatched dozens of contracts from local governments and government-controlled funds for use in national security-related infrastructure, it's supposed to be "independent, autonomous and controllable" meaning entirely proprietary and secure, while the actually proprietary and secure Shenwei using the SW64 instruction set built from the ground up only has a fraction of the market Huawei has. Huawei is the Party's prized pet like no other and there's little incentive for them not to deceive and nobody to stop them either.

Quote from: AndyChow on February 04, 2021, 15:35:48
HarmonyOS is a pure clone of Android 10. The so-called New microkernel was never built, and the kernel is neither new or micro. It's 100% the Android kernel with no modification.
Now, Android did use linux at it's base, but they've always made their SDK public and released all code publicly. Meanwhile HarmonyOS is illegally closed source, because they haven't had the time to rebrand the code and pretend they wrote it.
They can spin in anyway they want, invent whatever story, it's a rebranded clone, with identical structure and kernel.

Ars Technica's report does not contradict what Huawei said in the presentation nor their official documentation/description.
(1) - 'HarmonyOS is a microkernel based OS with Ark Compiler whose structure allows higher level components to be plugged in through KAL (ie uses modular OS design)'
(2) - 'Huawei's future mobile phones, which will run on HarmonyOS, show Android UI to users'
Those two statements are not mutually exclusive, but you're trying to falsely prove (1) is wrong based on (2) only. That's not going to work.
The source code of HarmonyOS will be freely available as it is released officially, and it already has an open source variant, called OpenHarmony, though the latter is primarily targeted at IoT.

Quote from: AndyChow on February 04, 2021, 15:35:48
HarmonyOS is a pure clone of Android 10. The so-called New microkernel was never built, and the kernel is neither new or micro. It's 100% the Android kernel with no modification.
Now, Android did use linux at it's base, but they've always made their SDK public and released all code publicly. Meanwhile HarmonyOS is illegally closed source, because they haven't had the time to rebrand the code and pretend they wrote it.
They can spin in anyway they want, invent whatever story, it's a rebranded clone, with identical structure and kernel.

So how is Harmony OS running hap files then instead of just being able to run apk ones? There's an hap installation of the JD.com app running on Harmony OS already. Do any of you claiming this ridiculous stuff actually know anything about coding/kernels at all?

Quote from: JZVR on February 05, 2021, 13:46:31

Quote from: AndyChow on February 04, 2021, 15:35:48
HarmonyOS is a pure clone of Android 10. The so-called New microkernel was never built, and the kernel is neither new or micro. It's 100% the Android kernel with no modification.
Now, Android did use linux at it's base, but they've always made their SDK public and released all code publicly. Meanwhile HarmonyOS is illegally closed source, because they haven't had the time to rebrand the code and pretend they wrote it.
They can spin in anyway they want, invent whatever story, it's a rebranded clone, with identical structure and kernel.

So how is Harmony OS running hap files then instead of just being able to run apk ones? There's an hap installation of the JD.com app running on Harmony OS already. Do any of you claiming this ridiculous stuff actually know anything about coding/kernels at all?

The same question should be asked to the authors of these articles, can't believe the level of writing coming out these days, apparently you don't need to have any knowledge about the subject you're writing on to start posting articles.

HarmonyOS 2.0 Beta can be delivered to those devices Over The Air, if you can sign up on this page (note: it's in Chinese). If approved, you will receive a confirmation email and the update will be pushed to your phone or tablet a couple of days after that. You will find installation instructions on that page as well.

Just don't expect the UI to look all that different – Harmony and EMUI share a lot of code. Really, it's what's under the hood that is different. In fact, Harmony can run Android apps just fine. If you're curious to see the OS run on real hardware, here it is installed on a Huawei P40.

Huawei isn't relying on just Android apps, however. It announced a developer competition with awards totaling CNY 1.5 million ($230,000) for new apps for Harmony. The company released an IDE plus an emulator for devs to make testing easier.

Plus, HarmonyOS does include many new features. A core design idea for the OS is to power what Huawei calls "Internet of Everything", meaning the UI needs to adjust to many different screens (phone, tablet, car and so on). To that end, developers can use over 50 highly-adaptable Distributed UI controls.

The phones that are supported currently are: Huawei P40, P40 Pro, Mate 30 (and the 5G version) and Mate 30 Pro (and its 5G version). One tablet can install the new OS too, the Huawei MatePad Pro (Wi-Fi and LTE models, plus the 5G one).


sound like trumpster are really scare of wumao

Quote from: JZVR on February 05, 2021, 13:46:31

Quote from: AndyChow on February 04, 2021, 15:35:48
HarmonyOS is a pure clone of Android 10. The so-called New microkernel was never built, and the kernel is neither new or micro. It's 100% the Android kernel with no modification.
Now, Android did use linux at it's base, but they've always made their SDK public and released all code publicly. Meanwhile HarmonyOS is illegally closed source, because they haven't had the time to rebrand the code and pretend they wrote it.
They can spin in anyway they want, invent whatever story, it's a rebranded clone, with identical structure and kernel.

So how is Harmony OS running hap files then instead of just being able to run apk ones? There's an hap installation of the JD.com app running on Harmony OS already. Do any of you claiming this ridiculous stuff actually know anything about coding/kernels at all?

Why are these anonymous trolls not held accountable? Why aren't their IP addresses public? For all we know it could be one troll behind all these handles. At least force them to use VPNs when posing as different people? The Ars article already made it very clear that unzipping the hap revealed a bunch of Android code, nothing else. A grade school kid could come up with an unused extension to disguise a zip file.

Lol show me some Android devices that can do this then?

Search for "Here's what Android cannot do but HarmonyOS 2.0 can, the power of distributed technology [Video]"

There's a video on the page. When you find Android devices with their monolithic kernels that can do this let me know.

Why aren't trolls like you who can't bring anything technical to the table held accountable with your IP made public? For all we know it could be the same troll behind all these posts. If you're going to troll at least learn the basics first.

Quote from: S.Yu on February 05, 2021, 21:19:52

Quote from: JZVR on February 05, 2021, 13:46:31

Quote from: AndyChow on February 04, 2021, 15:35:48
HarmonyOS is a pure clone of Android 10. The so-called New microkernel was never built, and the kernel is neither new or micro. It's 100% the Android kernel with no modification.
Now, Android did use linux at it's base, but they've always made their SDK public and released all code publicly. Meanwhile HarmonyOS is illegally closed source, because they haven't had the time to rebrand the code and pretend they wrote it.
They can spin in anyway they want, invent whatever story, it's a rebranded clone, with identical structure and kernel.

So how is Harmony OS running hap files then instead of just being able to run apk ones? There's an hap installation of the JD.com app running on Harmony OS already. Do any of you claiming this ridiculous stuff actually know anything about coding/kernels at all?

Why are these anonymous trolls not held accountable? Why aren't their IP addresses public? For all we know it could be one troll behind all these handles. At least force them to use VPNs when posing as different people? The Ars article already made it very clear that unzipping the hap revealed a bunch of Android code, nothing else. A grade school kid could come up with an unused extension to disguise a zip file.

Lol show me some Android devices that can do this then?

Search for "Here's what Android cannot do but HarmonyOS 2.0 can, the power of distributed technology [Video]"

There's a video on the page. When you find Android devices with their monolithic kernels that can do this let me know.

Why aren't trolls like you who can't bring anything technical to the table held accountable with your IP made public? For all we know it could be the same troll behind all these posts. If you're going to troll at least learn the basics first.

Quote from: JZVR on February 06, 2021, 07:47:40

Quote from: S.Yu on February 05, 2021, 21:19:52

Quote from: JZVR on February 05, 2021, 13:46:31

Quote from: AndyChow on February 04, 2021, 15:35:48
HarmonyOS is a pure clone of Android 10. The so-called New microkernel was never built, and the kernel is neither new or micro. It's 100% the Android kernel with no modification.
Now, Android did use linux at it's base, but they've always made their SDK public and released all code publicly. Meanwhile HarmonyOS is illegally closed source, because they haven't had the time to rebrand the code and pretend they wrote it.
They can spin in anyway they want, invent whatever story, it's a rebranded clone, with identical structure and kernel.

So how is Harmony OS running hap files then instead of just being able to run apk ones? There's an hap installation of the JD.com app running on Harmony OS already. Do any of you claiming this ridiculous stuff actually know anything about coding/kernels at all?

Why are these anonymous trolls not held accountable? Why aren't their IP addresses public? For all we know it could be one troll behind all these handles. At least force them to use VPNs when posing as different people? The Ars article already made it very clear that unzipping the hap revealed a bunch of Android code, nothing else. A grade school kid could come up with an unused extension to disguise a zip file.

Lol show me some Android devices that can do this then?

Search for "Here's what Android cannot do but HarmonyOS 2.0 can, the power of distributed technology [Video]"

There's a video on the page. When you find Android devices with their monolithic kernels that can do this let me know.

Why aren't trolls like you who can't bring anything technical to the table held accountable with your IP made public? For all we know it could be the same troll behind all these posts. If you're going to troll at least learn the basics first.

This troll calls changing extension names technical, goes to show what level it trolls at. When you have an account with thousands of tracable comments across years like mine it might be worth considering whether or not you shall be judged by anything other than your grade school work here. And breaking compatibility is as simple as minor change in syntax, good try trolling for Huawei, try harder next time.

A summary using simple words:
1. Huawei introduced Harmony OS as a base that you can run anything you want on top of it.
2. For their mobile devices, they chose Android system as the component that runs on top of Harmony OS to attract Android app developers. They even stated that they will use AOSP UI in the early stage of transition to make everything go smoothly so there shouldn't have been anything for people to upset about in the first place.
3. Now people are mad at the fact that it looks like Android because apparently if the UI looks like the one from Android then the whole OS must be as well (big kek). And because the original report came out from Ars, everyone believes it without performing a fact check on it.

Having a correct knowledge is important, guys.

Quote from: Bruh on February 07, 2021, 02:22:09
A summary using simple words:
1. Huawei introduced Harmony OS as a base that you can run anything you want on top of it.
2. For their mobile devices, they chose Android system as the component that runs on top of Harmony OS to attract Android app developers. They even stated that they will use AOSP UI in the early stage of transition to make everything go smoothly so there shouldn't have been anything for people to upset about in the first place.
3. Now people are mad at the fact that it looks like Android because apparently if the UI looks like the one from Android then the whole OS must be as well (big kek). And because the original report came out from Ars, everyone believes it without performing a fact check on it.

Having a correct knowledge is important, guys.

If you dismiss the Ars article as judging the OS solely by its UI, then either you haven't read it and you're trolling for Huawei, or you're lying and you're trolling for Huawei.

Quote from: S.Yu on February 07, 2021, 18:06:17

Quote from: Bruh on February 07, 2021, 02:22:09
A summary using simple words:
1. Huawei introduced Harmony OS as a base that you can run anything you want on top of it.
2. For their mobile devices, they chose Android system as the component that runs on top of Harmony OS to attract Android app developers. They even stated that they will use AOSP UI in the early stage of transition to make everything go smoothly so there shouldn't have been anything for people to upset about in the first place.
3. Now people are mad at the fact that it looks like Android because apparently if the UI looks like the one from Android then the whole OS must be as well (big kek). And because the original report came out from Ars, everyone believes it without performing a fact check on it.

Having a correct knowledge is important, guys.

If you dismiss the Ars article as judging the OS solely by its UI, then either you haven't read it and you're trolling for Huawei, or you're lying and you're trolling for Huawei.

Yes, they also went through the DevEco SDK & .hap files and complained about its similarity to Android Studio & .apk respectively (Makes sense because they will be using Android subsystem to interact with users at least for now), and then falsely claimed that "the original page for the ARK Compiler now 404s" and " Huawei's repository for the ARK Compiler is dead". The original page is still accessible through mobile browsers (The security certificate for the website is incorrectly configured and desktop browsers reject the connection), and they moved all the codes of the compiler to a different repo so everything still remains there and gets updated regularly.

Ugh, but, devinfo reports that it runs on Android 10, not HarmonyOS! Oh wait, all apps run on Android subsystem so of course it recognises it as Android. It has ADB and all the Android system components too! .....again, Android system is used for user interaction.

At last thanks for your personal insults, you think I'm trolling for Huawei because I called out Ars for some notable inaccuracies in their original article. Hats off to your flawless logic! Big hug for you<3

Wow, this comment section is a mess. Mods should moderate the comments of a guy labelling anyone who is against him a 'Huawei troll'. Surely this kind of verbal attack isn't permitted on this website?

Quote from: Bruh on February 08, 2021, 11:46:29

Quote from: S.Yu on February 07, 2021, 18:06:17

Quote from: Bruh on February 07, 2021, 02:22:09
A summary using simple words:
1. Huawei introduced Harmony OS as a base that you can run anything you want on top of it.
2. For their mobile devices, they chose Android system as the component that runs on top of Harmony OS to attract Android app developers. They even stated that they will use AOSP UI in the early stage of transition to make everything go smoothly so there shouldn't have been anything for people to upset about in the first place.
3. Now people are mad at the fact that it looks like Android because apparently if the UI looks like the one from Android then the whole OS must be as well (big kek). And because the original report came out from Ars, everyone believes it without performing a fact check on it.

Having a correct knowledge is important, guys.

If you dismiss the Ars article as judging the OS solely by its UI, then either you haven't read it and you're trolling for Huawei, or you're lying and you're trolling for Huawei.

Yes, they also went through the DevEco SDK & .hap files and complained about its similarity to Android Studio & .apk respectively (Makes sense because they will be using Android subsystem to interact with users at least for now), and then falsely claimed that "the original page for the ARK Compiler now 404s" and " Huawei's repository for the ARK Compiler is dead". The original page is still accessible through mobile browsers (The security certificate for the website is incorrectly configured and desktop browsers reject the connection), and they moved all the codes of the compiler to a different repo so everything still remains there and gets updated regularly.

Ugh, but, devinfo reports that it runs on Android 10, not HarmonyOS! Oh wait, all apps run on Android subsystem so of course it recognises it as Android. It has ADB and all the Android system components too! .....again, Android system is used for user interaction.

At last thanks for your personal insults, you think I'm trolling for Huawei because I called out Ars for some notable inaccuracies in their original article. Hats off to your flawless logic! Big hug for you<3

Wow look who's sayin'? Let's lay everything out in the open for everyone to see:
First your accusation to Ars:"Now people are mad at the fact that it looks like Android because apparently if the UI looks like the one from Android then the whole OS must be as well"
Then my reply, which interprets your post the only way possible:"If you dismiss the Ars article as judging the OS solely by its UI, then either you haven't read it and you're trolling for Huawei, or you're lying and you're trolling for Huawei."
Now what you try to frame on me:"you think I'm trolling for Huawei because I called out Ars for some notable inaccuracies in their original article"
So according to your latest post, "notable inaccuracies in their original article" was "it looks like Android because apparently if the UI looks like the one from Android then the whole OS must be as well", because that's what I replied to, not your other excuses you just made up after the fact, and you have the audacity to insult my logic. Wow, big round of applause! Fabulous trolling, exhibiting excellent gaslighting technique!

Quote from: Alexander Kim on February 08, 2021, 15:38:57
Wow, this comment section is a mess. Mods should moderate the comments of a guy labelling anyone who is against him a 'Huawei troll'. Surely this kind of verbal attack isn't permitted on this website?

This site is not for snowflakes, much less trolling snowflakes. Engadget would suit you better.

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Quote from: AndyChow on February 04, 2021, 15:35:48
HarmonyOS is a pure clone of Android 10. The so-called New microkernel was never built, and the kernel is neither new or micro. It's 100% the Android kernel with no modification.
Now, Android did use linux at it's base, but they've always made their SDK public and released all code publicly. Meanwhile HarmonyOS is illegally closed source, because they haven't had the time to rebrand the code and pretend they wrote it.
They can spin in anyway they want, invent whatever story, it's a rebranded clone, with identical structure and kernel.

So how is Harmony OS running hap files then instead of just being able to run apk ones? There's an hap installation of the JD.com app running on Harmony OS already. Do any of you claiming this ridiculous stuff actually know anything about coding/kernels at all?

Why are these anonymous trolls not held accountable? Why aren't their IP addresses public? For all we know it could be one troll behind all these handles. At least force them to use VPNs when posing as different people? The Ars article already made it very clear that unzipping the hap revealed a bunch of Android code, nothing else. A grade school kid could come up with an unused extension to disguise a zip file.

Lol show me some Android devices that can do this then?

Search for "Here's what Android cannot do but HarmonyOS 2.0 can, the power of distributed technology [Video]"

There's a video on the page. When you find Android devices with their monolithic kernels that can do this let me know.

Why aren't trolls like you who can't bring anything technical to the table held accountable with your IP made public? For all we know it could be the same troll behind all these posts. If you're going to troll at least learn the basics first.

This troll calls changing extension names technical, goes to show what level it trolls at. When you have an account with thousands of tracable comments across years like mine it might be worth considering whether or not you shall be judged by anything other than your grade school work here. And breaking compatibility is as simple as minor change in syntax, good try trolling for Huawei, try harder next time.

So name me some Android devices that can do what Harmony OS ones can on that page then? Go ahead I'll wait. The number of posts doesn't change the fact you're a Huawei hating troll who can't bring anything actual to back up your claims.

Disclaimer: There seem to be some labelling/name-calling going on within the comments below, so I will just say in advance that I'm neither a fan or hater of Huawei and I have a neutral standpoint regarding this particular topic. I never liked numerous misleading claims they made for their phones in the past, but this is not one of them.

Here comes the single biggest issue with this Ars Technica's article, and it is that they did not provide a single evidence to disprove Huawei's claim. They did an astonishingly great job at making it look like they do, but in actuality, every single remark they make in the article is irrelevant to the official statements made by Huawei. Let's break them down one by one by quoting from the comments below.

Claim: UI of HarmonyOS feels identical to Android's.
Refutation: "For their mobile devices, they chose Android system as the component that runs on top of Harmony OS to attract Android app developers. They even stated that they will use AOSP UI in the early stage of transition to make everything go smoothly so there shouldn't have been anything for people to upset about in the first place."

Claim: HarmonyOS has the Android system components including all the Android libraries, ADB, and the Android app support that is equivalent to that in Android OS.
Refutation: "Just don't expect the UI to look all that different – Harmony and EMUI share a lot of code. Really, it's what's under the hood that is different. In fact, Harmony can run Android apps just fine."
"It has ADB and all the Android system components too! .....again, Android system is used for user interaction."

Claim: Devinfo says that the emulator runs on Android 10, and Huawei's own app store, App Gallery, got all the apps somehow compatible with this unreleased, brand new OS.
Refutation: "...all apps run on Android subsystem so of course it recognises it as Android."

Claim: Huawei's SDK for HarmonyOS (for mobile) is a rebranded Android SDK.
Refutation: "Makes sense because they will be using Android subsystem to interact with users at least for now"

Claim: Ark Compiler, one of the components that differentiates HarmonyOS from Android OS, hasn't had its code updated for a long time. The link to the depo is dead and the official page is inaccessible.
Refutation: "The original page is still accessible through mobile browsers (The security certificate for the website is incorrectly configured and desktop browsers reject the connection), and they moved all the codes of the compiler to a different repo so everything still remains there and gets updated regularly."

Claim: Nobody would buy into HarmonyOS when it's a rebranded Android.
Refutation: Since the author failed to provide an evidence that it is a rebranded Android, this claim doesn't make sense in the first place.

Quote from: JZVR on February 09, 2021, 12:16:08

Quote from: S.Yu on February 06, 2021, 19:07:58

Quote from: JZVR on February 06, 2021, 07:47:40

Quote from: S.Yu on February 05, 2021, 21:19:52

Quote from: JZVR on February 05, 2021, 13:46:31

Quote from: AndyChow on February 04, 2021, 15:35:48
HarmonyOS is a pure clone of Android 10. The so-called New microkernel was never built, and the kernel is neither new or micro. It's 100% the Android kernel with no modification.
Now, Android did use linux at it's base, but they've always made their SDK public and released all code publicly. Meanwhile HarmonyOS is illegally closed source, because they haven't had the time to rebrand the code and pretend they wrote it.
They can spin in anyway they want, invent whatever story, it's a rebranded clone, with identical structure and kernel.

So how is Harmony OS running hap files then instead of just being able to run apk ones? There's an hap installation of the JD.com app running on Harmony OS already. Do any of you claiming this ridiculous stuff actually know anything about coding/kernels at all?

Why are these anonymous trolls not held accountable? Why aren't their IP addresses public? For all we know it could be one troll behind all these handles. At least force them to use VPNs when posing as different people? The Ars article already made it very clear that unzipping the hap revealed a bunch of Android code, nothing else. A grade school kid could come up with an unused extension to disguise a zip file.

Lol show me some Android devices that can do this then?

Search for "Here's what Android cannot do but HarmonyOS 2.0 can, the power of distributed technology [Video]"

There's a video on the page. When you find Android devices with their monolithic kernels that can do this let me know.

Why aren't trolls like you who can't bring anything technical to the table held accountable with your IP made public? For all we know it could be the same troll behind all these posts. If you're going to troll at least learn the basics first.

This troll calls changing extension names technical, goes to show what level it trolls at. When you have an account with thousands of tracable comments across years like mine it might be worth considering whether or not you shall be judged by anything other than your grade school work here. And breaking compatibility is as simple as minor change in syntax, good try trolling for Huawei, try harder next time.

So name me some Android devices that can do what Harmony OS ones can on that page then? Go ahead I'll wait. The number of posts doesn't change the fact you're a Huawei hating troll who can't bring anything actual to back up your claims.

My thousands of comments show that I'm a regular visitor of this site who takes interest in multiple topics, OTOH you're just a random troll astroturfing for Huawei under an article that reports on Huawei's daily fabrications.
That 40s video basically showed a page on one device synced to another when prompted, and you're asking me what other devices could do this?? What hole did you just crawl out of? Even Chrome could do this! You're the same troll over at Ars aren't you? You spew paltry lies that muddy the water one after another until somebody takes a couple minutes to actually look into what BS you're spreading!

Quote from: Joshua on February 13, 2021, 04:31:38
Disclaimer: There seem to be some labelling/name-calling going on within the comments below, so I will just say in advance that I'm neither a fan or hater of Huawei and I have a neutral standpoint regarding this particular topic. I never liked numerous misleading claims they made for their phones in the past, but this is not one of them.

Here comes the single biggest issue with this Ars Technica's article, and it is that they did not provide a single evidence to disprove Huawei's claim. They did an astonishingly great job at making it look like they do, but in actuality, every single remark they make in the article is irrelevant to the official statements made by Huawei. Let's break them down one by one by quoting from the comments below.

Claim: UI of HarmonyOS feels identical to Android's.
Refutation: "For their mobile devices, they chose Android system as the component that runs on top of Harmony OS to attract Android app developers. They even stated that they will use AOSP UI in the early stage of transition to make everything go smoothly so there shouldn't have been anything for people to upset about in the first place."

Claim: HarmonyOS has the Android system components including all the Android libraries, ADB, and the Android app support that is equivalent to that in Android OS.
Refutation: "Just don%u2019t expect the UI to look all that different %u2013 Harmony and EMUI share a lot of code. Really, it%u2019s what%u2019s under the hood that is different. In fact, Harmony can run Android apps just fine."
"It has ADB and all the Android system components too! .....again, Android system is used for user interaction."

Claim: Devinfo says that the emulator runs on Android 10, and Huawei's own app store, App Gallery, got all the apps somehow compatible with this unreleased, brand new OS.
Refutation: "...all apps run on Android subsystem so of course it recognises it as Android."

Claim: Huawei's SDK for HarmonyOS (for mobile) is a rebranded Android SDK.
Refutation: "Makes sense because they will be using Android subsystem to interact with users at least for now"

Claim: Ark Compiler, one of the components that differentiates HarmonyOS from Android OS, hasn't had its code updated for a long time. The link to the depo is dead and the official page is inaccessible.
Refutation: "The original page is still accessible through mobile browsers (The security certificate for the website is incorrectly configured and desktop browsers reject the connection), and they moved all the codes of the compiler to a different repo so everything still remains there and gets updated regularly."

Claim: Nobody would buy into HarmonyOS when it's a rebranded Android.
Refutation: Since the author failed to provide an evidence that it is a rebranded Android, this claim doesn't make sense in the first place.

Another traceless random claiming to be impartial putting up a wall of text that resembles a defense.


I think I can cut that short:

Claim: "Makes sense because they will be using Android subsystem to interact with users at least for now"

Refutation: Really? That's your "refutation", that "Huawei's SDK for HarmonyOS (for mobile) is a rebranded Android SDK", "makes sense because they will be using Android subsystem to interact with users at least for now"? I call that an excuse. You admitted Ars's accusation is truthful but made an excuse for Huawei.


Claim:"Just don%u2019t expect the UI to look all that different %u2013 Harmony and EMUI share a lot of code. Really, it%u2019s what%u2019s under the hood that is different. In fact, Harmony can run Android apps just fine."
"It has ADB and all the Android system components too! .....again, Android system is used for user interaction."
"Since the author failed to provide an evidence that it is a rebranded Android, this claim doesn't make sense in the first place."

Refute: Occam's Razor. The theologists keep claiming some deity of theirs exists and must have created the universe. Scientists can't definitively prove that it don't exist, but the theory of thermodynamics is far more elegant and refined than the twisted religious stories told to convince people something that exists behind everything but can't be proven. In this case, you're trying to convince people that there's a "Specter of Harmony" hovering above the Android OS running everything in that demonstration.

Actually, since everything found in that demonstration is effectively Android, it doesn't matter whether there's "support", because even if there's no "native" support, Huawei could port everything automatically, and the believers could still indulge in the illusion that they're running everything Android on something not Android. So since they've had AOSP access all along, their devices have had effective full functionality in China, and non-Google international (CCP-banned) apps were basically filled in with their Appgallery, this "looks like Android runs like Android but is not Android" narrative matters only because Huawei is putting on a show for the domestic jingoists.