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Posted by 4004
 - April 02, 2017, 15:02:11
If only the chassis was a bit smaller, the fan grilles weren't that big and the keyboard didn't have that stupid font. Nice price/perf ratio, as with most barebones, but not very suitable for an everyday laptop. If I wanted one purely to leave at home and play it would be an option, especially considering 15'
Posted by i7-7700K better choice
 - March 22, 2017, 19:22:44
I don't know where to start with your last post, you're deeply confused.  I don't even know why you're talking about 5700HQ, no one even mentioned 5700HQ.  And as to the statement 7700K will be on par with 5700HQ - I really don't know what you're smoking, 5700HQ is miles behind a 7700K, you can tell from the specs even:
https://ark.intel.com/products/87716/Intel-Core-i7-5700HQ-Processor-6M-Cache-up-to-3_50-GHz
https://ark.intel.com/products/97129/Intel-Core-i7-7700K-Processor-8M-Cache-up-to-4_50-GHz

Anyway, not gonna refer to anything else in your post because a lot of the sentences don't even make any kind of logical sense, I think you were drunk or something while writing it!  Never mind.
Posted by AP
 - March 21, 2017, 16:52:40
"He's referring to it being unfair to compare i5 desktop vs i7 mobile"

He is referring to 8 cores in 5700HQ which is wrong. I pointed it out explicitly.

"the 7700K would kill the mobile i7's "

7700K outperforms 7600K by roughly 40% when spamming 32 threads in the wild. Same is valid for comparison 7600K to 5700HQ in this review. So 7700K will be on par with 5700HQ.

However both 7600K and 7700K installed in desktop computers outperform 5700HQ. As such, the TDP limit is a much stronger constraint here compared to the presence of HT.
Posted by i7-7700K better choice
 - March 19, 2017, 14:55:29
He's referring to it being unfair to compare i5 desktop vs i7 mobile because you're comparing 4Core/4Threads to 4C/8Threads.  They should have chosen i7-7700K for this notebook which is 4C/8Threads, which would be a fairer comparison against a mobile i7 because it's the same 'chip configuration' - the 7700K would kill the mobile i7's!
Posted by AP
 - March 19, 2017, 14:24:38
"Well duh captain obvious... comparing 4vs8 cores."
Both CPUs are 4-core.

"Well duh ... at a higher price. They do not offer the 1 year warranty option at lower price, which means they offer less options which equals less buyers"
The price is mentioned, what else do you want to see?
Posted by DW
 - March 19, 2017, 11:16:35
WTF bullshit article dude...

I am big fan of notebookcheck ... and read your articles almost every day, but i really cannot help it preserve my anger against this one.
You pick the 7600K and say
"Notebook gaming with desktop Kaby Lake. A notebook equipped with a standard LGA 1151 socket may sound super-powerful, but the benefits are minimal compared to the drawbacks that entail."
&
"CPU performance from the quad-core i5-7600K is strong, but we can't help but feel somewhat disappointed. While single-threaded performance is good with a consistent Turbo Boost of 4.0 GHz (out of the rated maximum of 4.2 GHz), multi-threaded performance is weaker than even the older Haswell i7-5700HQ due to the lack of Hyper-Threading"

Well duh captain obvious... comparing 4vs8 cores. Pick 7700K and then do the comparison.
OmG can't believe you wrote the article.

"The fact that a 47 W Core i7 mobile CPU can outscore a 91 W Core i5 desktop CPU in multi-threaded workloads at base clock rates means laptop gamers may be better off with the lower-power solution."
Genius the author is... (while true ... the blame is on Intel and yourself for picking the wrong CPU to make the review)
I observe the 7700K consumes very little power compared to 6700K.  (Yes i had both in this very tiny 3kg laptop... I still have to play a lot more with it but with 7700K but I observe ~80W at 4.9/5.0 GHz while the 6700K would go up to 110W at 4.7 GHz). And the temps are if not better to at least comparable to 7700HQ (Go compare 5.0GHz to 3.4GHz on all 4 cores and proper 8 cores)

"The standard one-year limited warranty applies to new laptop purchases from Eurocom with options to extend up to two or three years. Some competing manufacturers like Gigabyte offer two-year warranty as standard instead of just one to draw in more buyers."
Well duh ... at a higher price. They do not offer the 1 year warranty option at lower price, which means they offer less options which equals less buyers)

I really don't want to read any more of this article because i bet i will find more genius conclusions like this one ... and will have to comment them as well.
Very disappointed with the quality of this article.
Posted by i7-7700K better choice
 - March 19, 2017, 08:05:04
This review unit had the i5-7600K, which is only the 4 thread model, the i7-7700K would be the better choice for this notebook due to the 8 threads and higher multi-core performance which does & will increasingly bring better results to present & future gaming.  So I disagree with the statement in your review where you say:  "The fact that a 47 W Core i7 mobile CPU can outscore a 91 W Core i5 desktop CPU in multi-threaded workloads at base clock rates means laptop gamers may be better off with the lower-power solution.".  This is only the case if you choose the i5 version, but choosing the i7 option is definitely the way to go, especially if you have the 120Hz screen as you need as much CPU power as you can get if you want to make sure you can reliably hit 120fps in some games.

I found it impressive that this laptop was able to cool the CPU to 71 degC during an extended Prime95 run - that's gonna be the highest load you're ever gonna see on the CPU.  Also this Tornado F5 laptop is a real enthusiast laptop where you can get great gains from tinkering & modifying such as:
1) i7-7700K delidding & using liquid ultra between CPU die & IHS
2) i7-7700K undervolting/overclocking
3) repasting with quality thermal paste like Thermal Grizzly Kryonaut.
All of those 3 points above will just ensure you get maximum performance out of the CPU, and will really make the most of the extreme power of the desktop 7700K vs any kind of soldered mobile i7 CPUs in other 'non-enthusiast' gaming laptops.

This is the notebook I would buy if I was in the market for one - but I am an enthusiast who would tinker & optimise it like I discussed in previous paragraph.  Probably the best laptop out there for people like me.
Posted by Redaktion
 - March 19, 2017, 07:10:03
Notebook gaming with desktop Kaby Lake. A notebook equipped with a standard LGA 1151 socket may sound super-powerful, but the benefits are minimal compared to the drawbacks that entail.

http://www.notebookcheck.net/Eurocom-Tornado-F5-Killer-Edition-i5-7600K-4K-UHD-GTX-1080-Laptop-Review.206710.0.html