The placement of the power cord didn't matter for my work when I was an IT admin, because we bought models with docking station capability (usually one for home, one for work) and that worked great.

I don't know what that is like now as I haven't been in IT in 6+ years, but I do remember that the market was turning away from docking stations, which sucked. To place a laptop in one was relatively issue-free, got users working within seconds. It seemed like they were migrating people over to USB-style docking stations with DisplayPort, and it was *much* more buggy.

This HP Sure View feature existed back when I was an Admin and I avoided it back then. Seemed like several steps backwards for my users. We just tried to teach people to be mindful of what they displayed on the screens in public areas. Never an issue.

Quote from: NikoB on March 07, 2024, 16:08:47I never insulted first and they know it.

yes, everyone knows what you are already, don't worry lol

I see that bullying from mental freaks is happening deliberately, with the connivance of the forum administration. I never insulted first and they know it.

Unfortunately, there are very few normal people on the planet. This is a fact, this became especially clear after 2020...

Quote from: NikoB on March 07, 2024, 16:03:28еще в

lol mr. fake programmer with no english knowledge, google translate skipped some russian words

Quote from: NikoB on March 07, 2024, 16:03:28The most inconvenient for right-handed!

right-handed aren't paralyzed on left side or something, we can plug in usb-c with left hand, don't worry lol

Or here is 865 G10 - what prevented them from output usb-c ports with USB40/PD symmetrically from 2 sides closer to the rear edge? Like as 2 audio outputs are also symmetrically? Let me remind you - laptops of 15 years ago had 3(5.1 scheme) interchangeable audioports (headphone/lineout/line/microphone) and also had a built -in optical SPDIF in one of 3 ports. Now there is simply no audio port with a galvanic denouement from the laptop chains - this is the fact of the downgrade of audio capabilities of laptops in 15 years.
Now, a only one 4-pin audio port is everywhere for all series laptop, and the most fragile and poorly compatible with headphones in which a 3-pin plug-this is actually the entire real Hi-Fi+ equipment.

I remember the presentation of Intel (еще в Tiger Lake), where their managers said that they specially projected TB4 controllers so that it is convenient to remove the ports symmetrically - on left and right side.

And what do we see in practice - greedy redneck manufacturers always bring them out (find a model with a symmetrical location of the USB -C/PD ports on the market) on the 1st side, saving on matches! Yes, and in the most stupid way, on the left, most often in business series! The most inconvenient for right-handed!

This is the pure rednecking of the design departments and the intended distortion of their left-handed designers for right-handled buyers.

imagine the effort of typing all this when everyone is just laughing at your ignorance day after day.
that's like three longreads back to back right there lol.

sad part is it's just some kind of mental disorder, almost every fact is hallucinated, posts are useless

For example, Lenovo has a cheap business series Ideapad 3 Slim. His review is on the website.

It has ideal power supply on the round corner side (for this reason, the IdeaPad 5 Slim is no longer suitable - there is again an idiotic usb-c sticking out on the left as power supply). But these idiots ruined the entire series by putting there the only M.2 2242 (try to find an M.2 2242 SSD on the market with a 2TB+ DRAM buffer, and in a single side version).

And the fools soldered 16GB (in 2023!), instead of at least 32GB (or 2 slots). They ruined the ports as much as possible (by deliberately downgrading DP1.4b and HDMI 2.0b in the igpu and bringing out the shameful antique DP1.2 and HDMI 1.4b (both 2010!)) although DP1.4b and HDMI 2.0b have been native for a long time even in Zen+, not to mention the newer series, but their Zen3 (7530/7730) is 3 years outdated.

Well, finally, turn a potentially massive series into an unpurchasable scarecrow - a screen with a shameful 45% NTSC.

Buyers, seeing such severe restrictions in everything and deliberate downgrading of port versions, do not buy even for $450-500.

What's stopping you from making this series a candy for the masses - leaving the same correct power plug, but soldering 32GB (or 2 full slots), installing 2 x M.2 2280 (as in the Acer Aspire 5 2023+), preferably with support for Double Sided SSD , remove native video ports from Zen3+ igpu and install a cheap 72% NTSC panel at 60Hz? Putting a price tag of $600-650 for the version with AMD R5 16"? Or the same with 16-17" 2.5k 16:10@120Hz for $700-750?

+16GB of outdated DDR4 3200 costs pennies - $30-35. Screen 45% NTSC ->72% +30$. Motherboard design with 2xM.2 + 2xDIMM slot +30$. Outputting ports costs nothing at all, because... This is a deliberate marketing restriction-downgrade.
Total +$100 to the price. Even if you add another +50$ for the work and that's it, sales will immediately jump tenfold.

And also make 18" 4k@120Hz 16:10 with Zen4+ U/H series with 2 slots, 2 x M.2 2280 (which support double sided SSD, and with efficient airflow) without a discrete card.

But no - they will rivet "gaming" garbage (on which it is not even possible to play with video chips lower than 4090 in native resolution in ultra quality) and useless idiotic models in the "business" / "multimedia" series from year to year...

at least this retard isn't asking for esata anymore, just for round proprietary connector from 2000s
someone has to tell nikob there's stuff like magsafe or magnetic usb-c connectors

Quote from: NikoB on March 07, 2024, 15:13:30Stop writing this nonsense everywhere. A bunch of buyers of this garbage have long proven that these adapters are extremely unreliable.

Sure they did, in your head. Mentally ill people often hallucinate about different things and they can't provide a single proof about them - because they don't exist.

Quote from: NikoB on March 07, 2024, 15:13:30Stop writing this nonsense everywhere.

Applicable to literally every single spampost of yours. You are nothing but a high-volume spammer.

Stop writing this nonsense everywhere. A bunch of buyers of this garbage have long proven that these adapters are extremely unreliable. And this is many times less reliable than the native round angled plug soldered to the power supply cable. USB-c should only be a backup power supply on all laptops from 15.6" - the main one should be either angular, round from the edges (it doesn't matter where - left and right, mainly closer to the back edge) or straight at the back.

For 12-14" I have no objections to usb-c being the main one - these are in fact not working series without an external monitor and a full-fledged keyboard with a classic numpad - weight and the ability to be carried quickly are key.

Acer is the only company on the planet that acts wisely in its Acer 3/5 Aspire series. There are 2 power inputs - a round corner on the left edge and a backup USB-c PD (and TB4 in the 5 series on Intel, but alas not on AMD). But Acer, like all the Chinese, except Lenovo (and the only model from Huawei D16 2022-2024, where again the idiotic USB-C sticks out on the left perpendicular to the body) on 15.6+ completely spoil the classic numpad, which excludes their models from the list of work/universal laptops . Just like their "game" series.

And using a 15.6-18" laptop with a plug sticking out on the left perpendicular to the body for right-handed people on beds and sofas is extremely inconvenient - the legs of a right-handed person are just to the left of the laptop and the slightest erroneous displacement - and the USB-C power socket or plugs are at an end. It would be nice if they did it right -
2 symmetrical on the left and right or one on the right (90% of the planet is right-handed, so right is correct!) and one on the back. Which will be convenient for both right-handers, who are in the majority, and for the minority of left-handers. But it feels like left-handed designers sit in laptop manufacturing companies and impose their idiotic non-ergonomics. agenda for right-handers, the majority.

Well, that's actually why they are surprised that the product is not for sale.
It's clear to see what people are buying - primarily 15.6+ laptops with a full-fledged numpad and proper power supply at the back or on the side with a round corner plug are popular, where people need to work on a laptop, and not use it as a system unit.

Quote from: NikoB on March 07, 2024, 14:33:05Of course, the most important thing is the lack of power via the corner round and reliable power plug. Which does not stick out idiotically perpendicular to the body and with which it is comfortable to use a laptop on beds/sofas for right-handers (let me remind HP that 90% of the world's population are right-handed, and not left-handed at all).
What is the problem with making 2 power inputs, as is done correctly in the Acer Aspire 5 2023? You can lie on your bed by connecting it via a safe, reliable and angled round power plug that does not stick out to the side, and when traveling, if anyone needs it, use USB-C.

3€, L-shaped, PD, full 40 Gbps: https://imgur.com/a/OEuafrU

HP is always ruining potentially good generic models.

Of course, the most important thing is the lack of power via the corner round and reliable power plug. Which does not stick out idiotically perpendicular to the body and with which it is comfortable to use a laptop on beds/sofas for right-handers (let me remind HP that 90% of the world's population are right-handed, and not left-handed at all).
What is the problem with making 2 power inputs, as is done correctly in the Acer Aspire 5 2023? You can lie on your bed by connecting it via a safe, reliable and angled round power plug that does not stick out to the side, and when traveling, if anyone needs it, use USB-C. Yes, in the end, damn it - why not make two USB-C with input power, but at least one in the back, and not on the side? Or symmetrically on the left and right, so that it is convenient for both right-handers and left-handers, and not just left-handers, as it is now? You yourself are reducing your sales significantly, because many right-handed people refuse such an idiotic decision on power sockets.

Again the stupid power button inside the keyboard next to Backspace! Stop this mockery of ergonomics! Fire the person responsible for this and hire a new designer! The narrowed row Esc, F1..F12 is written about in the review, which also significantly worsens the speed of blind text entry.

Again, a morally outdated, grainy-looking, crappy fhd screen (I would never believe in the contrast of 2000:1+ on IPS), and even with low-frequency PWM.

There should be a choice of 4k@120Hz IPS with guaranteed (in specifications and in batches) 1500:1+ in a semi-matte version. And the real response time is no more than 7ms on G2G/B2W. This is all you need for a high-quality business book screen, where working with perfectly clear text is the main task.

And it's nice to have new lines with the same 4k@120Hz panels in the 17" 16:10 and 18" 16:10 class.

The price of the solution is certainly high, taking into account 1 module of 32GB. But HP, like the rest, simply makes money on this. At least, unlike Lenovo's stupid business models, there are always 2 slots. So quickly buy and install a second module for 32, getting a full 64GB (and this is not the limit for Zen4 Phoenix, they support modules for 64 and 128GB, for a total of 256GB, they are just not on sale yet, because Zen4 Phoenix is the only x86 line processors with support for 64 and 128 modules - Intel still does not have such models, and they own 75% of the x86 market, so there is no benefit for RAM manufacturers to make batches only for Zen4 Phoenix, which is extremely rare in mass-produced laptops)

Performance and noise. Performance is normal for a 40W 7940HS, nothing special. What's special is that this time HP did not reduce it, as it usually does by 15-20% relative to others. Thanks for that too.

But the noise under average load (here it is the author's fault that he did not check in dual-channel mode by installing a 32GB module) is more than 2 (two!) times lower than that of the Lenovo ThinkPad P16s G2 AMD! Bravo if that's the case! Although we must take into account that the memory controller works at half power in single-channel mode and therefore heats up less...

Battery life is also longer, but again we must take into account that the author did not test a full-fledged dual-channel mode with 64GB of RAM, where consumption will be clearly higher.

It should also be noted that based on the throughput in single-channel mode, the efficiency of the AMD memory controller and optimization from HP in the BIOS, even in dual-channel 32+32, will be clearly mediocre. Around 60-65GB/s, instead of 85-89GB/s expected with DDR5 5600.

It is commendable that, in contrast to the poor 720p/fhd cameras, HP was the first to switch to 5MP cameras in laptops. But I would like to have autofocus and better dynamic range. Just compare with smartphones...

In general, HP, like all other manufacturers, continues to create strange Frankensteins, but no one intentionally wants to create an ideal universal business book. For what? After all, having bought it, the owner will use it for as long as possible without updating (after all, everyone likes it and is happy with everything), unless there is really strong progress in new models. So why they deliberately worsen ergonomics, upgrade options and screens is obvious. It seems that the true pleasure of using a good, ergonomically and internally perfect model should raise the long-term reputation of the manufacturer, but who cares about long-term reputation today?

lol, so this
www.notebookcheck.net/Ninkear-A15-Plus-Laptop-Review-Surprisingly-good-and-affordable.808282.0.html
is 84%

and this HP is 86%?

nice, nice