Sorry, typo - L5 with 14650HX+4060 32/1Tb

Quote from: RobertJasiek on March 03, 2024, 18:44:44NikoB has said that he lives where there  is no VAT.

VAT for local selling laptops is 20%, but duty is 15% above €1000 for purchases abroad. And the Chinese are selling us this version of L5Pro for about 1100 euros with free shipping, so do the math.

Quote from: Neenyah on March 03, 2024, 18:19:01Conveniently forgetting import duties, taxes and other fees.

For us mortals. NikoB has said that he lives where there  is no VAT.

Quote from: NikoB on March 03, 2024, 18:10:42Despite the fact that you can order directly from China L5Pro with 7945HX (which is almost 2 times faster than 13650HX) + 4060 16/1TB for $1200-1300 including delivery.

Conveniently forgetting import duties, taxes and other fees.

Legion 5 from Lenovo with 13650+40600 32/1TB costs $1400-1450. With a 1080p camera and 240Hz 2.5k 16:10 screen with a full keyboard with a full numpad. Despite the fact that you can order directly from China L5Pro with 7945HX (which is almost 2 times faster than 13650HX) + 4060 16/1TB for $1200-1300 including delivery.

Das Dell G 16 7630 ist schon 10 Monate auf dem Markt und ihr testet es jetzt als 2024er Modell? Sorry...

Außerdem wäre es sinnvoll zu erwähnen, dass die Preise auf der Dell-Seite sich ständig verändern: so kann man regelmäßig die Variante mit Core i9 und RTX 4070 für ca. 1500 € bekommen. Aktuell gerade wieder.
Ebenso wird immer mal wieder ein Display mit 165 Hz angeboten, d. h. aktuell gibt es nur eines zu ordern, aber es scheint auch Modelle zu geben, die mit einem anderen Display ausgeliefert werden. Es ist schade, dass die Dell-Seite zu dem Modell sich ständig verändert und es irgendwie ein Lotteriespiel ist, welche Konfiguration gerade angeboten wird und wie die Preise sind. Dabei sind Rabatte auf Modelle teilweise so schräg, dass die leistungsschwächste Version (i5, RTX 4050 aktuell nicht im Shop!) mehr kostet als die stärkste Variante, auf die es gerade Rabatt gibt. Positiv ausgedrückt: es lohnt sich regelmäßig im Shop vorbei zu schauen und nur zu kaufen, wenn die gewünschte Konfiguration gerade rabattiert wird!

I am not sure what you are talking about. You mention low PL1 values of 50 W, but if you look closer at the review it clearly states that PL1 is around 159 W!

You should read the review more thoroughly. Many of your criticism towards the clunky G16 have a point, though.

First, this is not a 2024 model, it's a hoax. This is a legacy 2023 model.

Let's move on to hardware and numbers...

If you believe the numbers on the screen, the main complaint is only poor color accuracy even after hardware calibration (which is nonsense for such color reproduction in the IPS class). Again, the question is about the reality of this figure. As well as native contrast, which, as usual, does not correspond to the datasheet for such panels. The frame rate is again fake, the panel is a little faster than 100Hz in reality, but that's understandable. which is better and will not be on the fake "240Hz".

I immediately see that the author clearly has something wrong with the numbers in CBR15 in the multi-threaded long test - clearly visible in comparison with two reviews of the 13650HX:

www.notebookcheck.com/Test-Asus-ROG-Strix-G18-G814JI-Laptop-Licht-und-Schatten-beim-18-Zoll-Gamer.698010.0.html
PL1=110W
www.notebookcheck.com/Dell-G15-5530-im-Test-Brauchbare-Alienware-Alternative-mit-Raptor-Lake-HX.728285.0.html
PL1=191W(!)
that such numbers simply cannot be at PL1=55W, because in these two PL1 exceeds 100W and even 190W (sick! or the author of that review is also lying) and the difference in performance is penniless, although we have previously seen more than once that Intel scales performance quite well in the range 55W->110 -120W. We do NOT see that here, so I pretend that the author of this review is misleading readers - the real PL1 is much larger. But then questions immediately arise regarding the noise level (although this is a Dell G with a lot of weight, it is clearly insufficient, since it is even less than that of my old 15.6 G5 5587). Well, either PL1 is correct, but the author's results in CBR15 are false. The 13650HX simply can't deliver that much at 55W.

Next, we look at 3D performance in games - the author indicates almost the same figure in GTA V at 117 frames as in the above reviews with 4070. Don't you think this is strange?
Well, the author carefully avoided ;) all tests with modern games of 2023 and 2024(!). After all, the author claims that this is a laptop of 2024, right? =)
What is visible in reality in laptops with 4060? These are 100% NOT "gaming" laptops! None of them in the reviews were able to produce 60fps in modern games at 2.5K! And some games are even in fhd!

But if this is not a gaming laptop, then it should probably have a full-fledged working keyboard with a classic numpad, right? NO. There is no numpad, this is a keyboard from a 14" model (sick!). And how to play with such a castrated keyboard on a 16" (sick!) model. It is also impossible to work with it.

Heating - everything is terrible again. The laptop at the keyboard level easily warms up to 50C. When the screen cover is closed, the screen panel may fail, because the critical temperature is just 50C according to the datasheet...

The quality of the speakers is traditionally poor for the G series and there is no contradiction here. You will have to buy high quality headphones, preferably with active noise cancellation. But this will have to be done with any "gaming" laptop when trying to play on it rather than work. True, your loved ones in the family are unlikely to like this level of noise...

There is no point in writing about the other shameful shortcomings; the author himself pointed out the antique 720p camera and Dell's redneck with TB4 ports, and although Intel now assures. that there are no built-in ports, Dell in 2018 soldered external TB3 controllers into $800 laptops of the same G series without any problems. The supposedly 2024 Intel HX series "gaming" laptop without TB4 ports looks like a complete disgrace. Especially against the backdrop of the shameful performance of the 4060 in current games and the shameful keyboard. Here it seems to go without saying that the owner will buy at least a desktop 4070, or better yet a 4080 later, and connect it via TB4, but Dell has deprived the owners of this opportunity.

Who needs a coffin weighing 2.7 kg (and this is without a power supply) at home with a shameful 16", instead of 4k@144Hz 18" and without the ability to improve the video system?

Question of the day - for whom and why was this overpriced garbage series made?