OK so should I buy 7840U or 14th gen. Intel? I dont need dedicated gfx chip at all.

Upd:
7840U PL1 32W - 2090+ in CBR15 / AIDA64-FP64 Ray-Trace - 11132 KRay/s vs. 10316 KRay/s for 14650HX with PL1=100W (www.notebookcheck.com/Lenovo-Legion-5i-16-G9-Schneller-Gaming-Laptop-mit-Raptor-Lake-HX-und-AI-Engine.794112.0.html)
Even though the 14th generation Intel processor consumes more than 3 times more power than last year's 7840U, it still can't catch up in this AIDA64 test...

Tldr.

Quote from: Neenyah on January 27, 2024, 21:47:28like the i7 13700H? Oh I know why, because the former is equal at worst, but oftentimes better.

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www.notebookcheck.net/Dell-XPS-17-9730-laptop-review-GeForce-RTX-4070-multimedia-monster.719622.0.html
13700H PL1 55W – 1950-2000 in CBR15 / AIDA64-FP64 Ray-Trace - 8154 KRay/s

www.notebookcheck.net/Acer-Predator-Triton-14-reviewed-A-14-inch-gaming-laptop-with-a-bright-display-and-an-RTX-4050.736193.0.html
13700H PL1 75W – 2525+ in CBR15 / AIDA64-FP64 Ray-Trace - 8598 KRay/s


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7840U PL1 35W - 2150+ / AIDA64-FP64 Ray-Trace -11834 KRay/s

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1370P PL1 30W – 1850+ / AIDA64-FP64 Ray-Trace - 6372 KRay/s

www.notebookcheck.net/Lenovo-ThinkPad-P14s-G4-AMD-review-fast-portable-straightforward.795741.0.html
7840U PL1 32W - 2090+ in CBR15 / AIDA64-FP64 Ray-Trace - 11132 KRay/s
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7840U PL1 24W - 1800+ / The lazy author violated the testing rules - there is no data from AIDA64 benchmarks, except memory speed.

www.notebookcheck.net/Samsung-Galaxy-Book3-Ultra-16-review-Enduring-16-inch-ultrabook-with-RTX-4050.710288.0.html
13700H PL1 45W - ~1600 in СBR15 / AIDA64-FP64 Ray-Trace - 7496 KRay/s

www.notebookcheck.net/Schenker-Vision-16-2023-Review-16-inch-lightweight-with-many-ports.738862.0.html
13700H PL1 45W - ~1800 in СBR15 / AIDA64-FP64 Ray-Trace - 6610 KRay/s

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Hasta la vista baby's troll! =)

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Quote from: Neenyah on January 27, 2024, 21:47:28like the i7 13700H? Oh I know why, because the former is equal at worst, but oftentimes better.

notebookcheck.net/Beelink-SER7-mini-PC-review-Ryzen-7-7840HS-with-vapor-chamber-cooling.745786.0.html
7840HS PL1 54W - 2525+ in CBR15 / AIDA64-FP64 Ray-Trace - 13904 KRay/s

notebookcheck.net/Lenovo-Yoga-Pro-7-14-G8-notebook-review-GeForce-RTX-4050-laptop-powers-3K-display-with-120-Hz.715978.0.html
13700H PL1 53W - 2315+ in CBR15 / AIDA64-FP64 Ray-Trace - 7969 KRay/s

www.notebookcheck.net/Dell-XPS-17-9730-laptop-review-GeForce-RTX-4070-multimedia-monster.719622.0.html
13700H PL1 55W – 1950-2000 in CBR15 / AIDA64-FP64 Ray-Trace - 8154 KRay/s

www.notebookcheck.net/Acer-Predator-Triton-14-reviewed-A-14-inch-gaming-laptop-with-a-bright-display-and-an-RTX-4050.736193.0.html
13700H PL1 75W – 2525+ in CBR15 / AIDA64-FP64 Ray-Trace - 8598 KRay/s


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www.notebookcheck.net/Framework-Laptop-13-5-Ryzen-7-7840U-review-So-much-better-than-the-Intel-version.756613.0.html
7840U PL1 35W - 2150+ / AIDA64-FP64 Ray-Trace -11834 KRay/s

www.notebookcheck.net/Core-i7-1370P-performance-debut-Framework-Laptop-13-5-13th-Gen-Intel-review.714563.0.html
1370P PL1 30W – 1850+ / AIDA64-FP64 Ray-Trace - 6372 KRay/s
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www.notebookcheck.net/Lenovo-ThinkPad-T14s-G4-review-Business-laptop-is-better-with-AMD-Zen4.763581.0.html -
7840U PL1 24W - 1800+ / The lazy author violated the testing rules - there is no data from AIDA64 benchmarks, except memory speed.

www.notebookcheck.net/Samsung-Galaxy-Book3-Ultra-16-review-Enduring-16-inch-ultrabook-with-RTX-4050.710288.0.html
13700H PL1 45W - ~1600 in СBR15 / AIDA64-FP64 Ray-Trace - 7496 KRay/s

www.notebookcheck.net/Schenker-Vision-16-2023-Review-16-inch-lightweight-with-many-ports.738862.0.html
13700H PL1 45W - ~1800 in СBR15 / AIDA64-FP64 Ray-Trace - 6610 KRay/s

www.notebookcheck.net/Tuxedo-Pulse-14-Gen3-review-The-Linux-Ultrabook-with-AMD-Zen4-and-a-120-Hz-display.795476.0.html
7840HS PL1 45W - 2425 in СBR15 / AIDA64-FP64 Ray-Trace - 13100 KRay/s

www.notebookcheck.net/Gigabyte-Aero-14-OLED-BMF-laptop-review-Compact-studio-notebook-with-true-color-display.715028.0.html
13700H PL1 40W -  2000 in CBR15 / AIDA64-FP64 Ray-Trace - 6913 KRay/s


Hasta la vista baby's troll! =)

Not really impressed by the 780M performance.
I will only be impressed if when an iGPU can beat an entry level GPU from last generation like the RX6600.

Quote from: NikoB on January 27, 2024, 20:50:11Again the troll makes competent people laugh

Btw, this is completely hilarious thing from you to say, a clownlord who can't even read how long is the warranty of the machine. You are only competent in being brainless, that's pretty obvious from all your spammed s*** across this forum.

Quote from: NikoB on January 27, 2024, 20:50:11Again the troll makes competent people laugh - where did he find that the 7840HS was as slow in PL1 as 1370p? I am waiting..

The 7840HS is not even available in the P16s G2 AMD, only R5 PRO 7540U and R7 PRO 7840U are, but I know that your fish brain is not aware that CPUs are not perma-locked at PL1. Why are you even comparing two totally different classes of CPUs, lol? Why not compare the 7840HS with something from its class, like the i7 13700H? Oh I know why, because the former is equal at worst, but oftentimes better.

But even the weaker 1370P (a CPU comparable with the R7 7840U) is standing pretty good against the class-higher 7840HS; better power efficiency, similar single core performance, fairly close in multi core, overall only 13% slower while being more efficient. Not bad for a smaller chip.

Quote from: Neenyah on January 27, 2024, 18:27:18and they are on par in performance with AMD

Again the troll makes competent people laugh - where did he find that the 7840HS was as slow in PL1 as 1370p? I am waiting..

Intel traditionally only has a faster memory controller, but is a complete loser in multi-threaded performance. Catastrophic.

Quote from: Poster on January 26, 2024, 23:29:45Soldered ram!? Even for an 'S' model, this is unacceptable.

Blame AMD for that and for being uncompetitive with slower RAM which is in SO-DIMM modules and not in BGA packages (soldered); yes there are 6000-6400 SO-DIMMs but far more expensive and more unreliable than simply soldering. Intel has no such issues of soldered-only, as this same model with Intel CPU has soldered + one free slot, and they are on par in performance with AMD - with much slower RAM. That says enough.

OTOH if there was slower RAM installed here in widely-available slow(er) SO-DIMMs this CPU wouldn't be able to compete with Intel i3s and the iGPU would be slower than the Iris Xe; then people would obviously find that problematic despite being easy to upgrade their RAM. Seriously, blame AMD for needing the fastest possible RAM to match and barely beat Intel.

Quote from: edram on January 27, 2024, 17:35:11"Its integrated graphics chip achieves similar performance to the Nvidia RTX 2050."

Yeah, right... More like Nvidia 1050.

It's basically identical to the RTX 2050 and even faster in many benchmarks; here, one of the faster 2050s in the review.

• 3DMark Fire Strike Score: 7524 points 780M vs 7230 points RTX 2050
• The Witcher 1080p High: 47 fps 780M vs 46.7 fps RTX 2050

And so on...

"Its integrated graphics chip achieves similar performance to the Nvidia RTX 2050."

Yeah, right... More like Nvidia 1050.

I really do not comprehend this P series anymore. It thought it is to be a mobile workstation line which one would expect better screen options and a very fast ethernet connection (1gb doesn't cut it for a workstation). Soldered ram!? Even for an 'S' model, this is unacceptable. Also I'm absolutely tired of manufacturers skimpy on usb4.0 ports on AMD products no matter the product bline - either not offering 2(where Intel counterparts have 2 thunderbolt ports) or even one port not offering ALL the features installed. Why is it always the hassle!?

Fake 10-key, garbage time.

Quote from: Neenyah on January 25, 2024, 22:16:17replaceable SSD

SSD avg life 10-25 years, laptop avg lifecycle 5-7 years