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Posted by Technerd
 - January 12, 2024, 04:39:54
Intel has a track record of this. It is just in the past the competition wasn't there. Intel Ice Lake 2nd gen 10nm performed worse than the tried and true 14nm in a lot of benchmarks. No one even got to try the 1st 10nm gen and it wasn't until Tiger Lake 3rd gen that 10nm was good.

Probably next gen will have better performance. And the gen after that will be really great if they don't advance the process before then.

Intel really isn't used to the first generation of a new process node to be super competitive. They like to draw out the product life cycle as long as possible on a single node. Times are different now most CPU lines are running one or two gens and moving to the next smaller process node, not 4 generations and next process node like Intel has done.

Intel needs to optimize it's initial release on a new process better so that when they jump processes they gave a more noticeable jump in performance.
Posted by NikoB
 - January 11, 2024, 14:32:46
Are newcomers surprised by corruption? ;)
Posted by ArsLoginName
 - January 11, 2024, 01:57:30
Further the i7-13700H in the Lenovo Yoga Pro 7 14IRH G8 has a continuous CB R15 score just slightly above 2300 points at 55 W long term power. This is the same as this MTL Core U7-165H. The i7-13700H in the Acer Swift X SFX14-71G scores within 1% of this U7-165H despite only having a long term power consumption of 40 W. This is 15 W less than this MTL Core U7-165H.

The title is really misleading because Intel is having a very hard time beating its own 13th gen processors running at the same or lower power consumptions.
Posted by ArsLoginName
 - January 11, 2024, 01:11:36
MQ.Yang is correct. The author is cherry picking results to make AMD look bad. Author clearly states the new 7-165H is in a MSI Prestige 16 laptop. A quick look at NBC's database reveals the HP Omen 16 xf0376ng and Lenovo Yoga Pro 7 14APH G8 obtaining CB R23 scores of 16188 and 16201 with powers of 65 W -> 55 W and 60 W -> 54 W respectively. So the 7840HS in Lenovo's 14" chassis outperforms this MTL Core Ultra 7 165H while consuming a bit less power. Although Herzig's reporting is biased, the actual numbers don't lie for either of these AMD based laptops under similar power consumptions.

Posted by MQ.Yang
 - January 10, 2024, 17:16:53
I can't believe they simply looked for the worst implementation of the Ryzen 7840, and even worse, they took the minimum score instead of the average... what a paid review is for... It's better not to compare it to anything.

notebookcheck.net/AMD-Ryzen-7-PRO-7840HS-Processor-Benchmarks-and-Specs.725636.0.html ->

CB23 min: 14240    avg: 15052    median: 15051.5 (14%)    max: 15863 Points

notebookcheck.net/AMD-Ryzen-7-7840HS-Processor-Benchmarks-and-Specs.680876.0.html

CB23 min: 15821    avg: 16561    median: 16535 (15%)    max: 17214 Points

I have always recommended the reviews on this site, but I can no longer give them credibility.
Posted by Enma45
 - January 10, 2024, 09:22:25
Es ist unglaublich, dass die neuen Intel-Prozessoren den letztjährigen AMD Zen 4 nicht übertreffen, sie verbessern lediglich den Energieverbrauch, was sehr gut ist, ebenso wie die iGPU, da die integrierte IRIS-Grafik daher vor 4 Jahren nicht einmal den alten AMD Vega 8 übertraf Die Laptops der 11. Generation, der 12. Generation und der 13. Generation sind eine Katastrophe, da sie nicht täglich die notwendigen 3D-, CAD- und CAM-Funktionen wiedergeben können.
Posted by Redaktion
 - January 10, 2024, 00:58:37
Intel gave the press some time to benchmark an MSI Engineering Sample laptop at CES. This device contained the Intel Core Ultra 7 165H, marking the first time we were able to benchmark this new processor.

https://www.notebookcheck.net/Intel-Core-Ultra-7-165H-first-benchmarks-analysis.791676.0.html