News:

Willkommen im Notebookcheck.com Forum! Hier können sie über alle unsere Artikel und allgemein über Notebook relevante Dinge disuktieren. Viel Spass!

Main Menu

Post reply

The message has the following error or errors that must be corrected before continuing:
Warning: this topic has not been posted in for at least 120 days.
Unless you're sure you want to reply, please consider starting a new topic.
Other options
Verification:
Please leave this box empty:

Shortcuts: ALT+S post or ALT+P preview

Topic summary

Posted by NikoB
 - December 08, 2023, 14:38:51
I no longer hope that microLED will be any better than AMOLED. Most likely, if it is launched in a mass series, it will have the same problems as AMOLED - a glossy glare screen, low-frequency PWM (since single luminous subpixels will burn out and drift in the accuracy of the glow spectrum much faster than large white or other LEDs, in conventional edge or multi-row backlighting), problems with color accuracy and rapid burnout.

Today there are only two working technologies (outside of viewing content in complete darkness) - IPS and VA - comfortable for the eyes and the associated nervous system. Both technologies allow you to have fairly fast screens, with good resolution (at least 4k 16:10 today) and accurate color reproduction, with good viewing angles (especially with an A-TW polarizer, which has not been installed anywhere for a long time, even in top models) and acceptable contrast.

But in reality. There are a lot of cheap IPS/VA versions on the market with a lot of shortcomings for the sake of mass reduction in price, because... real prices for quality options would rise much higher than what the average person out of 8 billion people on the planet can now afford. Thus, in practice, we observe not progress in display technologies, but natural degradation, if we look at it all as a whole.

I see no reason why corporations will reverse these negative trends in the medium term. They have always not cared about the health and comfort of people if, out of their own stupidity, they buy a dangerous product. Remember what happened with smoking before - when did it start to worry anyone? And certainly not the tobacco corporations that still exist and sell life-threatening products...

AMOLED (Active OLED matrix) as it is sold should be banned by law, just like Teflon (although this is just a trademark for the substance).
Posted by A
 - December 06, 2023, 23:07:30
Quote from: RobertJasiek on December 06, 2023, 23:03:14Apart from the ratio, my display requirements are modest:
- rectangular displayed area
- no notch no bump no nothing
- silent
- no flickering
- matte
- reasonable brightness
- adjustable brightness
- adjustable contrast
- <16.7ms response times = 60+Hz displayed contents
- no obvious flaws (pixels, colours, bleeding...)
MBPs fail in at least 4 of my modest aspects.
Adjustable contrast = adjustable gamma.
Looks like you are describing a very mediocre IPS display.
Posted by RobertJasiek
 - December 06, 2023, 23:03:14
Apart from the ratio, my display requirements are modest:
- rectangular displayed area
- no notch no bump no nothing
- silent
- no flickering
- matte
- reasonable brightness
- adjustable brightness
- adjustable contrast
- <16.7ms response times = 60+Hz displayed contents
- no obvious flaws (pixels, colours, bleeding...)

MBPs fail in at least 4 of my modest aspects.
Posted by A
 - December 06, 2023, 22:23:38
Quote from: RobertJasiek on December 06, 2023, 22:05:45I want a good display - not a stopgap measure.
I've choked a bit when MBP display was called a "stopgap". ))) Okay, so who's the contender? Any specific model?
Posted by RobertJasiek
 - December 06, 2023, 22:05:45
I want a good display - not a stopgap measure.
Posted by A
 - December 06, 2023, 19:55:47
Quote from: RobertJasiek on December 06, 2023, 19:48:21This is an Apple thread so I discuss Apple in particular. And glare display is one of the sufficient reasons for, e.g., me not to buy an MBP.
So, just as I said
Quote from: A on December 06, 2023, 15:21:56right now it's a matter of personal preference

Still, you can get a matte film for your display.
Posted by RobertJasiek
 - December 06, 2023, 19:48:21
This is an Apple thread so I discuss Apple in particular. And glare display is one of the sufficient reasons for, e.g., me not to buy an MBP.
Posted by A
 - December 06, 2023, 19:22:58
Quote from: RobertJasiek on December 06, 2023, 17:58:28Inform yourself better.
I already see where it's going. You will be trying to pretend "sh*tty/good screen" choice couple laptop models give is a "glossy/matte" choice. Just admit you are picking on Apple and that's it.
Posted by RobertJasiek
 - December 06, 2023, 17:58:28
Inform yourself better.
Posted by A
 - December 06, 2023, 16:27:59
Quote from: RobertJasiek on December 06, 2023, 16:01:10So why does Apple not enable choice by personal preference?
This doesn't sound serious, no one else gives you a choice too, it's either glossy or matte.

Put a matte film on it. And then remove it of course, because matte screen looks cheap af.
youtube.com/watch?v=yV_Ml8s3nzY
Posted by RobertJasiek
 - December 06, 2023, 16:01:10
So why does Apple not enable choice by personal preference?
Posted by A
 - December 06, 2023, 15:21:56
Quote from: RobertJasiek on December 06, 2023, 14:19:52Because blind from the reflected sun and high display brightness.
Expectation - all those burns on your face from your glossy phone pushing blinding 1000+ nits outside. Reality - did not even notice, because your eyes see a difference between ambient lighting and screen brightness.

All these "glossy vs. matte" cool stories are back from 300cd/m2 panels days, right now it's a matter of personal preference.
Posted by RobertJasiek
 - December 06, 2023, 14:19:52
Quote from: A on December 06, 2023, 12:12:22if your brightness is high enough - when you will not be able to see reflections.

Because blind from the reflected sun and high display brightness.
Posted by A
 - December 06, 2023, 13:04:46
Quote from: Alexander_ on December 06, 2023, 12:21:14But the reality is that there are not always places where you can independently change the layout of the office, close the curtains in the train compartment, without causing discomfort to anyone (because otherwise the light will sparkle from the glossy screen), or somewhere in a cafe in a bright country, work a little without excessive discomfort (due to the same glare).
You being afraid to disturb people or to ask for a normal working environment isn't related to glossy/matte panels at all.

Get a brighter panel.
Posted by Alexander_
 - December 06, 2023, 12:21:14
Quote from: A on December 05, 2023, 17:25:16Turn away
I don't know how old you are. Maybe you are a student and use your laptop mainly for playing games at home and it is easy for you to change the location of your desk. Maybe you are the owner of a company and you are free to decide where your desktop will be.

But the reality is that there are not always places where you can independently change the layout of the office, close the curtains in the train compartment, without causing discomfort to anyone (because otherwise the light will sparkle from the glossy screen), or somewhere in a cafe in a bright country, work a little without excessive discomfort (due to the same glare).

Therefore, if you do not see something that can disturb people, it does not mean that it does not exist.