The disgraceful Intel team with the new "7nm" technical process will only catch up with the energy efficiency of Zen3+ and nothing more. They were losing to Zen4 Phoenix, and they will be, and this is last year's AMD processor. By the time ArrowLake is released, AMD will already have Zen5+.

The only thing that saves Intel, with the connivance of the antitrust authorities of all countries and especially the US/EU, is that they still control more than 70% of the market for consumer x86 processors, and AMD apparently doesn't care about this fading market.

The world is already quickly moving to Arm processors, and the x86 codebase is no longer a serious obstacle in terms of compatibility.

Soon Intel will be left with nothing but x86 processors that no one needs anymore...

Quote from: Mr Majestyk on October 11, 2023, 03:54:30cough BS cough. No SMT so it will suffer huge (up to 33%) performance loss in MT'ing if it were the same architecture as Raptor Lake. This means to overcome the penalty Lion Cove cores would need to be ~70% faster in MT'ing if they deliver a 40% increase.

you are wrong, hyperthread only boosts multithread by around 25% if there is only P-core, and intel Ecores have no hyperthread anyway.
if you turn off hyperthread for 13900k, r23 drops from 40k to 33k, a 18% performance cost.

cough BS cough. No SMT so it will suffer huge (up to 33%) performance loss in MT'ing if it were the same architecture as Raptor Lake. This means to overcome the penalty Lion Cove cores would need to be ~70% faster in MT'ing if they deliver a 40% increase.

I'm sorry but its been MANY decades since Team Blue has delivered on %25-40 performance gains.

If you actually believe this obvious marketing nonsense I have a bridge to sell you!

This is classic SOP to create 'excitement' and 'buzz' about their new products in the pipeline that if the last 30yrs of their history is ANY lesson, they will fail to deliver on. Period.