Quote from: jesterly on January 26, 2024, 20:06:42What an oxymoron: a business laptop with a glossy screen 🙄

Oh these "glossy screen" and "3.5 jack" trolls. Buy a matte film.

What an oxymoron: a business laptop with a glossy screen 🙄

Quote from: Alex280 on September 19, 2023, 15:45:45@Dummy user I have the same question as well. Even when I go to settings under system -> battery and choose best efficiency and battery saver, I can't get the processor consumption down below 4w. Using uxtu to change the short and long-term power limits you mentioned didn't help either.

The overall charge rate at idle is -6w which is actually pretty good, considering the processor takes up so much.

Can anyone else try running `powercfg /energy` and check if PCI Express Active-State Power Management (ASPM) was disabled due to a known incompatibility with the device? Mine has this error, and I'm trying to figure out how to fix it.

You yourself, from your own experience, were convinced of the lies of processor manufacturers about better energy efficiency (despite the fact that the processor in this series is already deliberately stifled) - where does all the "energy efficiency" go if the processor consumes more than 4 W when idle, while even CoffeeLake 2018 with 10nm consumed 1.9W in the "gaming laptop" Dell G5 5587. And despite the fact that I did NOT limit its performance in any way - for 5 years it has been working only and exclusively in the "maximum performance" mode. 100% use time. And it consumes 1.9W at rest, and under load it immediately shoots up to 47W without problems, delivering the maximum stable performance for its series in the CBR15.

New processors are faster due to a sharp increase in consumption in PL1/PL2 and partly from improvements in technical processes over 5 years, but why do they consume so much at rest? With all the features that have been added since then and with the "4nm" technical process, instead of "10nm" in Intel 2018?

Isn't this a shame for the x86 camp? Moreover, people write that Intel at "10nm" is able to, through optimization in ThrottleStop/XTU, make it sleep with a much lower consumption level than the latest AMD processors, even the HX series. How so? AMD and laptop manufacturers are clearly doing a poor job of optimizing resting consumption.

@Dummy user I have the same question as well. Even when I go to settings under system -> battery and choose best efficiency and battery saver, I can't get the processor consumption down below 4w. Using uxtu to change the short and long-term power limits you mentioned didn't help either.

The overall charge rate at idle is -6w which is actually pretty good, considering the processor takes up so much.

Can anyone else try running `powercfg /energy` and check if PCI Express Active-State Power Management (ASPM) was disabled due to a known incompatibility with the device? Mine has this error, and I'm trying to figure out how to fix it.

Quote from: Dummy user on September 07, 2023, 18:50:50Undervolting is not available but enabling enhanced power saving mode, limiting its TDP (TTP) and operating temperature are all possible which I've done.

Now idling at around 0.7W (CPU ~38C at a 22C ambient temperature), running at up to 75C with fast (boost) workloads up to 30W and sustained 20W TTP. The fan almost never is running. The system is completely silent.

By default the CPU consumes roughly 4W in idle (that's insane), heating up to 100C and consuming 51W for boost workloads and I don't remember how much for the sustained, prolly around 35W. I didn't want any of that. :-)

Are you using the 7840HS CPU?
Could you comment in the specific settings you've used top reduce ideal power draw?

Ist there any information in an update that adresses the high idle power draw and  the resulting fan noise?

Quote from: Dummy user on September 07, 2023, 18:50:50By default the CPU consumes roughly 4W in idle (that's insane), heating up to 100C and consuming 51W for boost workloads and I don't remember how much for the sustained, prolly around 35W. I didn't want any of that. :-)

Which CPU did you have, HS or U series? 4w at idle for the CPU alone is crazy.

Quote from: Dummy user on September 07, 2023, 18:50:50Undervolting is not available but enabling enhanced power saving mode, limiting its TDP (TTP) and operating temperature are all possible which I've done.

Unfortunate that undervolting isn't possible.

Is there a specific setting called enhanced power saving mode? Or were you referring to making those TDP changes? What's TTP? How did you configure those settings?

Quote from: Dummy user on September 07, 2023, 18:50:50Now idling at around 0.7W (CPU ~38C at a 22C ambient temperature), running at up to 75C with fast (boost) workloads up to 30W and sustained 20W TTP. The fan almost never is running. The system is completely silent.

How did you get idle power consumption down so low for the CPU all the way from 4W? I thought that changing the target TDP would only affect power consumption under load and shouldn't affect idle.

What's the total discharge rate when running on battery at idle at lower brightness? Which screen did you get? Real world battery life for your typical use?

Finally, how much performance do you lose in benchmarks by reducing TDP to 30W boost / 20W sustained?

I got mine but have to wait for 2 more weeks for it to arrive.

All I have to say is whatever he says, I think the opposite! This is a great computer!

Quote from: Oleksa on August 15, 2023, 12:52:13There is no USB4!!! This is a lying marketing ploy with a sticker (where are DP2.1 and pci-e?).
One slot for RAM (good thing it's not 8 GB).
Terrible screen.
Only 1 TB of memory...
A huge power supply (did you learn this from Lenovo?)
As usual, the keyboard is not suitable for work.
The red price for this garbage is 900 euros (including tax).
And also a lot of weight (no development). Everything that weighs more than 1.3 kg and up to 2kg feels the same. Everything that weighs more than 2 kg (even 4 kg) feels the same).
1.2 kg is light.
More than 1.2 kg is medium weight, still hard to carry.
More than 2 kg is a huge brick that will kill your back, or carry it in a car.
I want the EU to force manufacturers to work faster and more often.
Do not give 2-3 years for adaptation, because when it is necessary, the manufacturer adapts in 1 month to put an old processor in a new laptop. Or a new processor in an old laptop, and in any case, throw it on the market as garbage.
Therefore, it is necessary to establish certain frameworks, and in a year only those products that meet the conditions will be allowed on the market. Only centralized legal requirements will apply. Instead of shifting the problem to the end consumer, who is unable to fight the manufacturer on his own.

- USB4 is there.
- There are two slots for RAM.
- The display is fantastic, better than my new desktop IPS monitor.
- SSD can be upgraded.
- The power supply is great and doesn't get too hot. What I didn't like is the USB-C port which is used for feeding the laptop. It's quite fragile.
- The keyboard is amazing. Soft touch, barely audible.
- It's around 1.5kg which is nothing if you're an adult with no congenital diseases. Welcome to the early 00s when laptops were around 3kg.

Other things:
 - Metal sturdy body
 - Easily serviceable (you can replace RAM, SSD and WiFi module just by unscrewing 5 bolts)
 - Quiet (except when fully loading more than 4 cores and/or playing games)
 - Decent 5MP webcam (vs. 720p crap most laptop OEMs install even in 2023)
 - Amazing speakers with good bass and tremble (better than anything I've heard in my entire life in this form factor).
 - Lots of preinstalled HP junk. I simply reinstalled Windows 10 from scratch.

Overall I'm quite surprised how well it's made and it works.

Quote from: Alex280 on September 01, 2023, 18:59:33Anyone who got this laptop with the Ryzen Pro 7840HS or 7940HS managed to undervolt it? If not, can you at least set lower TDP with something like UXTU?

I've heard that HP locks down their laptops more, so am not sure if changes like this would be possible.

Undervolting is not available but enabling enhanced power saving mode, limiting its TDP (TTP) and operating temperature are all possible which I've done.

Now idling at around 0.7W (CPU ~38C at a 22C ambient temperature), running at up to 75C with fast (boost) workloads up to 30W and sustained 20W TTP. The fan almost never is running. The system is completely silent.

By default the CPU consumes roughly 4W in idle (that's insane), heating up to 100C and consuming 51W for boost workloads and I don't remember how much for the sustained, prolly around 35W. I didn't want any of that. :-)

Anyone who got this laptop with the Ryzen Pro 7840HS or 7940HS managed to undervolt it? If not, can you at least set lower TDP with something like UXTU?

I've heard that HP locks down their laptops more, so am not sure if changes like this would be possible.

Quote from: Andrey 845 G10 on August 24, 2023, 10:47:36The more I use the laptop, the more I like it.

What kind of usage do you have? Development? Can it be used for things like VS Code/Studio, Eclipse, etc? I decided to go with M2 from Apple, but Windows is still would be preferred, if possible. Didn't find a decent laptop before - everything is starting to be loud and slow, when starting two-three Eclipse parallel and many other tools. M2 somehow handle it easily

Quote from: Dummy user on August 22, 2023, 16:57:07This was written but a complete and utter moron who has no idea what they are talking about, sorry. Windows 10/11 DWM easily eats up to 500MB of VRAM which leaves you with what? 0MB of VRAM for games? Even games from 2007 can easily eat over a 1GB of VRAM, does this mean no games can run at all?

iGPUs have been using system RAM for over a decade now. This also means you get a nice performance boost in games if you increase your system RAM speed.

Hehe, yeah, this is correct. I just booted into Windows (10) and have nothing open but Edge (3 tabs) with HWiNFO logging stuff in the background - my iGPU sits at 511 MB currently.

And while everything else here is true I will just add one more thing - the sole purpose of that option to dedicate more (V)RAM in the BIOS is to run multiple high-DPI monitors because they will sometimes and rarely struggle to run properly if the amount of (V)RAM is set to be too low. For everything else each iGPU (irrelevant if it's Intel's or AMD's) will dynamically take as much as it can and need from RAM.

Quote from: Dummy user on August 22, 2023, 16:57:07@Neur123

QuoteThe iGPU VRAM is bios capped to 512MB, and the toggle for this in the AMD radeon settings does not work. So if your applications depend on more dedicated VRAM you can run in to issues, games for example can default to low settings but often do run great on the iGPU.

This was written but a complete and utter moron who has no idea what they are talking about, sorry. Windows 10/11 DWM easily eats up to 500MB of VRAM which leaves you with what? 0MB of VRAM for games? Even games from 2007 can easily eat over a 1GB of VRAM, does this mean no games can run at all?

iGPUs have been using system RAM for over a decade now. This also means you get a nice performance boost in games if you increase your system RAM speed.

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Are you dimensions for it correct?  I get 315.6 x 224 x 19.2 mm from HP site??

A fun laptop. Some of the updates broke the ambient light and ambient color temperature sensors. It looks like the Windows update center.

But it will be fixed. The more I use the laptop, the more I like it.

About Ryzen AI. As far as I understand, the problem is massive, including among other manufacturers. It's sad. There's not a word about it in the article.