Quote from: RobertJasiek on August 09, 2023, 07:27:40NikoB, but, but, the worst part of it is that minors also pay VAT and they may not even vote yet!

Minors (incompetent) do not have their own money with rare exceptions, this is the money of their parents or guardian (os). If they work and earn, they also paid income taxes.

In any case, VAT (as well as sales tax) from those who paid income tax, this is a crime of powerful kleptocracy and once again proves that there is no "democracy" where there are such requisitions, in reality, especially where it is especially bright It is proclaimed from the stands - in the EU/USA, therefore or there are no competent (adequate) citizens, civil society, i.e. Most idiots or all of them are slaves under the fifth totalitarian machine and cannot affect the real government of the state - turning into a complete analogue of a stationary bandit.

Adequate people will never choose clowns and obviously malicious representatives to the government as their legal representatives. Plus, the fear of violence is natural, for trying to go against the system, those who began to hesitate, gradually understanding with young, that it is immoral and completely corrupt everywhere, without exception. The world is a dirty trash with a bunch of artificial restrictions directly violating rights and are free if you are not in the real ruling layer.

With age, with the accumulation of experience, you understand more and more clearly what dirt reigns in all echelons and how demagogical howls are about "democracy" everywhere.

Even countries as Switzerland, Sweden, if you dig their society deeper, quickly disappointed...Everywhere the ruling kleptocratic structure gracefully manipulates the brainless majority, and when the manipulation does not succeed, it simply applies direct violence and coercion to actions that are beneficial only to them.

Since 2020, this should already be clear even to the last idiot, but surprisingly, the number of idiots does not decrease, but on the contrary, their number only increases, and much faster than population growth on the planet.

The population, which is increasingly difficult to call "people" and even more so to recognize their "homo sapiens", itself, voluntarily, built a world concentration camp.

NikoB, but, but, the worst part of it is that minors also pay VAT and they may not even vote yet!

Quote from: julia_top on August 08, 2023, 17:24:19Very good price for a Gamer or creators of content, We hope that these prices arrive in Europe, that here everything goes up about $200 more than in the USA

In the US, prices do not include sales tax, which varies from state to state and may not exist at all. At the same time, the maximum tax is not higher than 11.5-12%, as far as I know.

In Europe, there is a VAT, which for electronics is closer to 20% in most countries, which gives an increase of 15-25% in different countries.

This extortion is inherently immoral in all countries. Because it turns out an absurd situation - a person works (if everything is legal) and pays taxes on income, and not very small ones reaching a minimum of 40-50% in most EU countries (except Switzerland). And then, from the money cleared from taxes on income, this person is suddenly charged with another tax on consumption in the form of VAT, as if from some illegal worker, thief, shady businessman. This is absurd. In essence, the consumption tax is designed to tax those who otherwise do not pay taxes in the shadow sector. But why on earth is it taken from those who work and pay taxes legally in full on income? But since the inhabitants of most countries, due to their own stupidity, allowed the ruling kleptocracies to tear this immoral extortion from them, in fact, a tax on a tax, then there is nothing to complain about - you arranged such a life for yourself. The population itself, its majority, is always to blame for everything.

Very good price for a Gamer or creators of content, We hope that these prices arrive in Europe, that here everything goes up about $200 more than in the USA