Quote from: Hp63 on August 08, 2023, 16:28:51What dumb Democrats fail to realize is all the facts involved! How do you dispose of the batteries once their shelf life is used up? Do they have a plan! No I didn't think so !

Yes they do and it's already underway dummy!

The majority of comments aren't a surprise and show the battery manufacturer made the right decision.

The naysayers make me laugh. They're suddenly worried about people in developing nations mining, the electric grid, student loan debt (that's a new one!), and other things they didn't care at all about before and otherwise really don't unless you mention EVs. But they have no problem handing money and power over to corrupt oil countries like Saudi Arabia and Venezuela.

I admittedly giggled as I drove my EV past a gas station today and saw people paying $4.35/gallon.I love my car. She drives and accelerates like a dream and since our electric grid here is largely fueled by sustainable energy, it's a double win.

Many uninformed people love to make up their own stories about why EV's won't work based mostly on hearsay & & cherry-picked distortion of facts. EV's work great if you want to give them a chance or if you don't, just keep driving whatever feels good to you but stop spreading incorrect information, please.

All this bickering about ev's everyone needs to live in reality. I believe in global warming, do they me wrong. But let start where the problem really starts. Politicians and 1%ers. It's bad business to allow a bunch of thieves with absolutely moral values in them, to gather. 1st. Doesn't any see that it's has been a conspiracy for a long time, the average Petro fuel vehicles got 300 miles to a tank, give or take a little. Now what is the average range ev's get, and there are a very few exception to that rule. 2nd, ev's with all the good intentions, still lacks longevity with the average battery only getting 1000 charges out of the battery. So, the leaves the life of the car, to chance and driver behavior. 3rd, for the majority of people in the U.S. deal with idiots like the feds raising inflation just the to purposely crash the market so, all the big ballers car make money off the hard working losing everything. Inturn the financial institutions foreclosing and repossessing everything these people went upside down on resale all their stuff and make that money again. The worst thing about it is price aren't going to drop but you have people of average income in the same boat as the rest on bottom pushing inflation. For example: a 30 year old truck 300,000 miles being sold for 18,000- 20,000 dollars. So, everyone can point there stinking s*** covered finger at anyone they want. At the end of the day the wealthy are not going to help anyone make the world a better place.

50% dont make me laugh. People can't afford all those new EV but they're forced to buy one due to the emission zones. Sales in 2023 are plummeting (most new sales in 2023 are 2021/2022 orders being delivered. EVs are not the future sadly

Well , we should appreciate new ideas ,so we can get rid off these petrol mafias.

The big problem with EVs in the US is you can only get Teslas. The supply from other OEMs is limited with Customers waiting over a year to receive an ordered car. The US electric grid is already improving its infrastructure to support EVs and other demands so as the percentage of EVs increases the grid will be ready. The OEMs committed to moving from ICE vehicles to EVs before the Trump Administration fell into obscurity so this has nothing to do with Democrats and everything to do about good business practices of looking into the future and investing to be competitive in the future. The world's largest car market is rapidly moving to EVs right now and the OEMs know they have to have cars available to sell to Customers in that market. The US and Europe will be dragged along no matter the weeping and gnashing of teeth exhibited by Conservatives that can't see past the end of their nose.

Quote from: JMB on August 08, 2023, 16:52:06You think these stupid electrics are going to change the climate?
Absolutely NO! There's so much other pollution going into the atmosphere now from old wells and melting permafrost that spew millions of tons of CO2 into the air but worse than that is the methane which is so much worse than the CO2. Cars won't change a thing expect local smog possibly!!!!!

The historic smog levels in San Francisco are a testament as to how new technology and science can make a difference although they certainly can do better.  In the 60s and 70s it looked like a London fog in the day time.  Yes changes were made and people whined about it but the efforts made a difference.  The bigger polluters like the factories moved to where there are less regulations.  Emission controls on new cars became normal.  With a combined effort the air quality improved.  Unfortunately it still wasn't enough.  Kicking and screaming about it does nothing.  That is why we are where we are now.  We have been too slow to respond.

The power grids in many areas are already pushed to their limits. If everyone starts buying electric cars there will be no way they can handle the extra load.

Again and again EV vehicles are draining taxes payers pockets.  Why goverment grant billions to those tech companies and deny student loan to 90% of our kids? Ev is not the future, ev is a old technology that didn't worked well before.  It's very limited range, takes hours to recharge, why are the denial of H2, also old technology but, by being internal explosion engines,ALL ENGINES CAN BE CONVERTED, no need to spend hundreds of thousands of dollars on new vehicles right way,but the scuses over the most available gas in the universe are somehow ridiculous, law makers are brought ou by lobbyists, and corporations have been dominant on all areas,education, religion, goverment, Healthcare etc.. they dictate who and what. Our vote doesn't matter  all elections are rigged,  all decisions are made by corporations and wall street. So wake up people.. our independence was sold out to those global corporations

The direction is with good intent but the end is not feasible. Lithium based batteries are a dead-end. Not enough in the world to fully electrify cars let alone large scale storage for renewables.

But, that's not the real issue. Less than 100 corporations are responsible for over 70% of the total global carbon pollution. Most of them being oil companies who have been lying about their contribution to climate change for almost three decades. Until these companies are held accountable, all our other efforts will be in vain!

Quote from: JMB on August 08, 2023, 16:52:06You think these stupid electrics are going to change the climate?
Absolutely NO! There's so much other pollution going into the atmosphere now from old wells and melting permafrost that spew millions of tons of CO2 into the air but worse than that is the methane which is so much worse than the CO2. Cars won't change a thing expect local smog possibly!!!!!

So let's not do anything then and turn earth into Venus.

Quote from: Hp63 on August 08, 2023, 16:28:51What dumb Democrats fail to realize is all the facts involved! How do you dispose of the batteries once their shelf life is used up? Do they have a plan! No I didn't think so !

I'm not a Democrat, but frankly I'm embarrassed that many Republicans have made the decision to neglect our precious earth. And to answer your question, how do you dispose of EV batteries and do they have a plan? A plan is not needed because the ability to recycle the batteries is already in place. Google EV battery recycling. Calling people dumb before you do your own research just makes you look dumb.

You think these stupid electrics are going to change the climate?
Absolutely NO! There's so much other pollution going into the atmosphere now from old wells and melting permafrost that spew millions of tons of CO2 into the air but worse than that is the methane which is so much worse than the CO2. Cars won't change a thing expect local smog possibly!!!!!

What dumb Democrats fail to realize is all the facts involved! How do you dispose of the batteries once their shelf life is used up? Do they have a plan! No I didn't think so !