Hello! I'm undecided between the Acer Predator Helios 16, QHD+ 240hz, i9-13900HX, RTX4070 and the Asus Rog Strix G16, QHD+ 240hz, i9-13980HX, RTX 4070, both cost approximately the same price. Which one is more worth it?

Quote from: NikoB on July 20, 2023, 21:37:52Facts do not mean insult. Truth is more valuable. The fact that someone is offended does not change the essence of the matter - inattention to details betrays either the incompetence of the authors of the reviews and elementary negligence - and this, in turn, signals the value of such reviews.

It's not the canary's fault in the mine that screams that everything has gone bad...

That still doesn't give you an excuse to insult when asking to provide additional data.

Quote from: NikoB on July 20, 2023, 21:37:52Facts do not mean insult. Truth is more valuable. The fact that someone is offended does not change the essence of the matter - inattention to details betrays either the incompetence of the authors of the reviews and elementary negligence - and this, in turn, signals the value of such reviews.

It's not the canary's fault in the mine that screams that everything has gone bad...

Kill yourself, bastard

I have this laptop, so far so good. Heavy and power hungry but since I have a small working space, this is a perfect desktop replacement for me.

Facts do not mean insult. Truth is more valuable. The fact that someone is offended does not change the essence of the matter - inattention to details betrays either the incompetence of the authors of the reviews and elementary negligence - and this, in turn, signals the value of such reviews.

It's not the canary's fault in the mine that screams that everything has gone bad...

Quote from: NikoB on July 19, 2023, 14:05:33The brain is given to a person to think at the moment the data slice is formed, and not after, when the subject of testing is no longer available.

I don't think it's a sign of an intelligent brain to insult the people you ask for providing additional data. I don't think this strategy works to motivate authors to look into your arguments. I can understand why they are just ignored.

QuoteTherefore, laptops without an AMD processor need to be tested much more thoroughly for problems with the correct display of sRGB / Rec.709 content on wide gamut panels

Indeed because sRGB is still essential for most of work today. Not everything and everyone works already or even have displays for HDR, DPI or Adobe RGB.
It is strange but a display might be too good if do not have a good sRGB capability.

Quote from: Marvin Gollor on July 18, 2023, 21:29:11

Quote from: NikoB on July 18, 2023, 12:52:50Again, fake data on the speed of DDR5 4800 from AIDA64. The 4800 can NOT have 86Gbyte/s, because theoretical limit 76Gbytes/s. [...] Going further, the author gave a crazy 90% score, although this laptop is NOT able to provide sufficient performance in native and crisp 2.5k for games. [...] The author claims even more "vivid" colors in games. But people don't want "vivid" colors, they want accurate colors as the developers intended.

Most people prefer vivid and oversaturated colours over accuracy. But they are very accurate here, too. The scoring system (not the author) gave it 89,5% to be precise and the final score consists of a lot of factors not just gpu-performance in native resolution. Yeah, the AIDA Memory write speeds are odd, dunno how this happened but I don't have the review sample on me anymore.

The brain is given to a person to think at the moment the data slice is formed, and not after, when the subject of testing is no longer available. And after all, this is not the first time I have written about this, i.e. the authors should have long ago paid attention to this apparent discrepancy between the data and reality and solved the problem at the root. Also, as I have been asking for a long time to post a full screenshot of the Cache and Memory test in AIDA64, moreover, when working in different performance profiles and on battery power. It's not hard to do, right? But it gives a lot of information about system latency and battery performance and in different profiles.

It's also high time to post the results of 15-20 minutes of running in CBR15 for all available performance profiles from the manufacturer and from the battery. So that people see not cheating (due to the crazy insane "Turbo" / "Extreme" mode for laptops especially for Intel versions, etc. heresy, when VRMs burn out in 1-1.5 year intensive usage), but in normal modes (including battery operation), in which the laptop will be used 99% of the time.

Color reproduction of panels greater than 100% sRGB should be carefully studied for the possibility of easy profile switching for working with software in sRGB / Rec.709, which does not work with icm profiles (and there are plenty of such software) and games that do not take into account work with a wide gamut panel. Such panels in reality create more problems in everyday life due to distorted colors (oversaturation most often) than they bring real benefits to the owners, except for specific work with color, for those who understand what they are dealing with.
Today (and 15 years later!) only igpu from AMD and its video cards have an autocalibrator in sRGB space built into the drivers. Neither the Intel drivers nor the NVidia drivers have a built-in sRGB autocalibrator. Therefore, laptops without an AMD processor need to be tested much more thoroughly for problems with the correct display of sRGB / Rec.709 content on wide gamut panels.

Quote from: NikoB on July 18, 2023, 12:52:50Again, fake data on the speed of DDR5 4800 from AIDA64. The 4800 can NOT have 86Gbyte/s, because theoretical limit 76Gbytes/s. [...] Going further, the author gave a crazy 90% score, although this laptop is NOT able to provide sufficient performance in native and crisp 2.5k for games. [...] The author claims even more "vivid" colors in games. But people don't want "vivid" colors, they want accurate colors as the developers intended.

Most people prefer vivid and oversaturated colours over accuracy. But they are very accurate here, too. The scoring system (not the author) gave it 89,5% to be precise and the final score consists of a lot of factors not just gpu-performance in native resolution. Yeah, the AIDA Memory write speeds are odd, dunno how this happened but I don't have the review sample on me anymore.

The price is obviously excessive for a  RTX4060 and do not see the reason for the over power CPU. For some reason Intel seems to have some powerful imposing capacity over manufacturers this season.

Kudos to screen, thunderbolt and able to operate with low noise.

Now Acer neds to be a global company to be able to compete, instead they are not even fully in UE Europe.

Again, fake data on the speed of DDR5 4800 from AIDA64. The 4800 can NOT have 86Gbyte/s, because theoretical limit 76Gbytes/s. For reading and copying, the speed, on the contrary, is low, the copying speed is especially shameful, i.e. key indicator.

Going further, the author gave a crazy 90% score, although this laptop is NOT able to provide sufficient performance in native and crisp 2.5k for games, and fhd mode is extremely bad on such panels, because it turns out muddy. Need a 4k@120-144hz panel with crisp 4k/fhd(max fps) modes.

"240Hz" is fake again. If you sum and divide of B2W/G2G responses on average, it turns out to be slightly better than real 100Hz. This is enough for games and work, but the lies of the laptop manufacturer are obvious.

The author claims even more "vivid" colors in games. But people don't want "vivid" colors, they want accurate colors as the developers intended.

From the point of view of work, i.e. universal laptop for home/office - the laptop does not have at least 95% AdobeRGB for professional work with color, and at the same time, as always, the fools from Acer make again a bad numpad block (right arrow key on place insert key), which immediately destroys fast blind typing in 2 hands using the numpad as a navigation block, for quick group operations with files and copy- paste in 2 hands. Quick operations in the same Excel are impossible with such a corrupted numpad.  And again bad, narrow by height, Esc,F1..F2 block for work.

The price of the device is simply monstrous compared to the mediocre performance of both the processor and the video card for 2023. Either the dollar has already depreciated by 50% in 7-8 months, or someone is very greedy.

The real price of such a laptop is no more than $ 1300-1400, taking into account inflation and real performance compared to the previous generation in 2022, including competitors. Everything else is a gift to sellers-speculators and the manufacturer literally for nothing.

If there were 64GB DDR5 4800 (which already cost less than $120) and 4TB SSD ($190-250 with FIVE years warranty, not 1-2 inside laptops!), this price could somehow be justified, but the shameful and ridiculous 16GB of which has not been enough for anything for a long time and a ridiculous rogue SSD only 1TB, cause only contempt for the manufacturer and the price assigned here...

The manufacturer could also give an extended full on-site warranty of 3-5 years, then this would also justify at least somehow a clearly overpriced price by $500-600.

The final score, taking into account the shortcomings, cannot be higher than 85%.

Considering battery autonomy (and dramatically worse performance), as well as the monstrous weight of the PSU, talking about such devices as a portable laptop is ridiculous.

This is a purely office, home option that will run forever from the PSU more than 95% of the time. The question is - why do you need a funny and obsolte 16"/2.5k at home/office, when it's better to buy 18" with 4k@120-144Hz, right? But where are they in abundance? They still alomost don't exist on global market, but they sell all this junk with an incomprehensible target audience...