thats what we call nonsense

Quote from: Miau on April 12, 2023, 18:29:00The 8 and 16 GB models are still available, but Lenovo and Asus can't source RAM chips, so they can't update stock.

This is complete nonsense. Store shelves are littered with 16/32GB DDR5 modules.

Everything is much simpler - these greedy and stupid manufacturers have filled warehouses with obsolete 4/8GB modules (chips) and simply want to get rid of them in this way, intentionally, selling only miserable models with ridiculous 16GB that no one needs. If there were 2 slots, it wouldn't be much of a problem (although it's still a problem, even in most "gaming" laptops - they also intentionally sell from the factories mostly 8+8, not 16x1 or 16x2 - people are forced to get rid of these dice at a bargain price are 3-4 times cheaper than they are sold as part of laptops or just throw them in a box and buy normal 16x2 or 32x2), but in such idiotic models they are soldered and this is immediately a sentence to the laptop in terms of its obsolescence rate ( even if the processor is more than powerful enough and after 2-3 years after purchase) or in principle it is impossible to use it professionally due to lack of memory, which immediately shows the main purpose of such series - either a primitive level of requirements from the buying layer or a purely presentation model and not more. A modern working laptop should cost at least 32GB, because 13-14 free ones with 16GB is not enough even for comfortable surfing in 2-3 browsers at the same time. Otherwise, it doesn't exist anymore.

Quote from: Edwin on April 02, 2023, 14:25:07Exactly, what on earth happened to Ryzen 6000 series, I waited months, was ready with my wallet but they where nowhere to be found. Every store has a real world choice between Intel 12th gen and Ryzen 5000, they're even offering Intel 13th gen or Ryzen 5000. AMD completely dropped the ball for mobile processors and it's left me feeling disillusioned with the brand.

I believe there is RAM shortage. Lenovo Yoga 7 Gen 7 Ryzen 6800u with 32GB RAM was available before Christmas, but now it's out of stock ever since. They released many new Gen 8 models, but they max out at 16GB. The 8 and 16 GB models are still available, but Lenovo and Asus can't source RAM chips, so they can't update stock.

Here's more evidence that mid-range laptops are slowly being listed as endangered species
(technewsspace.com/the-gaming-pc-market-will-continue-to-shrink-in-2023-and-then-recover-in-two-years/):

QuoteAnalysts at JPR believe that once the gaming PC market starts to recover, the entry-level and high-end segments will see the biggest gains, while the mid-range segment will continue to decline. The senior segment is expected to grow 17% from $22.9 billion in 2022 to $26.8 billion in 2025, while the junior segment is expected to grow from $5 billion to 7 billion over the same period $.3 billion will continue to decline from $14 billion in 2022 to $12.9 billion in 2025. This year, that segment is expected to shrink to $11.4 billion, down $2.3 billion from last year.

Q.E.D.

Quote from: Mnu on April 03, 2023, 22:59:497945HX is very good doing Cinebench R23
Not so much in gaming where even the 13900hx is better.

The problem with today's "disposable" consumers who have been taught to change things quickly is that their consumer experience is over in 2022. Forever. There will be no more easy money for the "middle class" of the West and the world as a whole, and there will be no quick change of things that could serve further, but they are constantly wanted the newest and most advanced. And in the long run, the 7945HX definitely outperforms Raptor Lake, especially outside of games, which, with rare exceptions, are essentially a waste of valuable personal time.

The difference in games is minimal and can be immediately neglected. And the difference in computing power between the tops of AMD and Intel is significantly in favor of AMD, i.e. this is definitely a more profitable investment if the laptop will be with you for 5-7 years, at least.

7945HX is very good doing Cinebench R23
Not so much in gaming where even the 13900hx is better.

Laptops have always had a problem - increased noise, a small screen, a worse keyboard than a full-fledged one on desktops, and of course the upgrade options are several times lower than on desktops.

But everything paid off with mobility and the ability to comfortably lie down with him on sofas and beds from the PSU, which the desktop could not do. Now, when the market is dominated by moronic business models with usb-c power, which sticks out most often on the left (and the majority of the world's population is right-handed - their feet are right on the left on the sofa behind the laptop) and easily breaks out, this minimal status quo is violated. The monstrous consumption due to the impasse in x86 silicon has led to wild noise and heat, as well as the need to increase weight due to the heavy cooling radiators that now literally cover the entire motherboard.

The screen in models under $1500 can be with a shameful 45% NTSC and a monstrous response, especially on 60/120Hz fake panels. Now the market is full of fake "144G" panels with shameful color reproduction and response.

The keyboards are made by some crazy designers who deliberately spoil the classic layout, including a dedicated numpad and, moreover, it came to complete moronicity with the power button inside the keyboard, and often next to the backspace!

The ports are idiotically located, RJ45 is often absent even in business models (which is complete nonsense) and at the same time in 2023 we are offered 1Gb / s most often, which was approved in the 90s!

There are no screens left in smartphones with ppi below 300. That is why the assholes at Google spat on the desktop browser and did nothing for years with muddy fonts due to incorrect grayscale anti-aliasing. All that remains is firefox (where it can be turned off at all) or a screen with a ppi of at least 220, and preferably the same 300+, as in smartphones.
The majority of the population is completely illiterate and has remained from science, scientific and technical progress and understanding of jambs in goods and software for decades, within the framework of understanding current problems. People have been ruining their eyesight in Chrome for years, using screens with shameful color reproduction (are they all color blind?). My very old 2008 monitor has 94% AdobeRGB, 7ms real-time response (I won and topped multiplayer with millions of players on it in the old days) and 300+ nits of brightness (measured with a lux meter at 0.01 lux) recently after 39400 hours of use. It cost $650 for 2008...

Why pay money today, people? For this obviously overpriced garbage everywhere on the shelves? 8 billion people want quality goods and services and there are more and more of them, and the planet's resources are not rubber... Deliberately provoked by the banking mafia and politicians (and the welfare poor layers, their urban constituency), stagflation is burning up purchasing power very quickly. Especially older people whose income peak has already passed...

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Remember the prediction of a major US bank last week that supposedly up to 300 million people will lose their jobs after the introduction of advanced neural networks (what stupid propaganda for stupid people calls AI all the time) into the economy? They also give an estimate there that this number of people is up to 70% of the urban population. Occupied with labor, which is quite easily automated. But, ironically, it is this parasitic layer that makes up the backbone of the "middle class" in the West and in the whole world. Knocking that people out of a comfortable living environment in the old world automatically leads to a drop in demand and hordes of people who have nowhere to attach in the new world, it is impossible to train and they are a huge social problem - they must somehow be supported so that they do not start riots. And it is precisely the drop in their incomes, after dropping out of the old "middle class", that provokes a drop in demand in the IT industry, because  they are the main consumer of all gadgets for their work and entertainment.

Further it will only get worse, including with laptops for the "middle class". Only mass models for the poor and a narrow pool of models for the very rich will remain, as in all other market niches. There is a rapid radicalization of consumption, while the middle layer of goods is quickly being washed away everywhere...

Quote from: Oleksa on April 03, 2023, 13:24:43Pros of laptops:
- none

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Quote from: Oleksa on April 03, 2023, 13:16:20In the future, instead of a laptop, I will consider a console like onexplayer pro, which I can connect to monitors and peripherals for work.

Advantages of mobile consoles:
- they are available at the start
- offer the required amount of RAM
- cooling is not worse than laptops
- not fake usb4
- very portable (weight and size)

Cons:
- no large screen (can be replaced with an external one)
- level of upgrade as in modern laptops (for a console this is probably a plus, for laptops it is definitely a minus)

Pros of laptops:
- none
Cons:
- not available
- terrible hardware
- fake characteristics
- terrible hardware (screens, keyboards, ports)
- no upgrade (except for ssd), 1 slot of ddr is a fake upgrade option.
- weight


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AMD's mobile processors are not entirely on paper.
They are in mini-boxes, game consoles: steamdeck, ayaneo, onexplayer, gpd , asrock 4x4, sbc industrial motherboard etc. Most of the products are these devices, as well as xbox and ps5.
That is, APUs are not on paper, but only crumbs reach the laptop market. I bought a 5700u laptop for myself without waiting for a normal 5800u version, and recently a 5600h for my girlfriend, because there were no suitable laptops for other characteristics, even for 5700u (for any money).
In the future, instead of a laptop, I will consider a console like onexplayer pro, which I can connect to monitors and peripherals for work. It's mobile, enough for my work, for everything else, only a desktop. The laptop market is completely dead for me.

When the elephant is resting the mouse will go on its head claiming his reign.amd is very good at that

Intard coping meets schizophrenia ITT

It's futile to mention AMD anymore concerning their APU's in products the masses want. Like many have iterated here, it's all paper launch for AMD to get the investors excited for the time being then no release of said product for a year or more.

Take for instance Lenovo's Slim 6/7 and Yoga 6/7 (The only major manufacturer which uses AMD APu's the most). Last year's Yoga 7 14 with the 6800U took it's cool time to be released but then they forgot about the North American market - Fail. Everything thing else was Barcelo 5*25U series
Now this year Lenovo released all their "new" AMD variants with refreshed Barcelo 7*30U again!!!! (Remember, this is the mid to upper midranged category and not their slim/ideapad or below series).
They updated their PSRef site with future releases of the refreshed 7*35U series, while the intel Raptor lake variants are already on the market with some releasing later this month. Furthermore the very popular Slim 7 Pro series - the AMD variant, is only capped at 16GB of Soldered RAM!
One can forget about the high end categories as pc makers refuse to carry AMD at their flagship models like Dell XPS, Slim/Yoga 9 series, HP Spectre etc.

I give up looking for an AMD product of my needs. It seem AMD's target markets are Gaming, handhelds and mini-pc's as these were more available last year with the 6000U series.

AMD is dead. RIP

Quote from: informatic on April 02, 2023, 18:47:21Man muss wirklich kein FANATIKER sein, um zu verstehen, dass Intel dieses Jahr 2023 mit seinem RaptorLake praktisch genauso viel verloren hat wie letztes Jahr und zu allem Übel mit einer Xe-Grafik, die sogar die alte Vega 8 übertrifft.
Jetzt verfügt der Zen 4 7045 über RDNA 2 und AMD ZEN 4 7040 Phoenix = DDR5 + RDNA 3 + USB 4.0 + HDMI 2.1 + KI Künstliche Intelligenz mit XDNA-Architektur, entwickelt von Xilinx, einem führenden Unternehmen für künstliche Intelligenz, und das alles bei 4 nm gegenüber 10 nm von Intel .
Zen 4-Chips haben einen geringeren Verbrauch und eine höhere Effizienz gezeigt. Intel muss bis 2024 warten, um das zu übertreffen, was AMD hat. + FSR 3.0 wird ein insgesamt flüssigeres Spielerlebnis ermöglichen, während Entwickler mehr GPU-Zeit für die visuelle Qualität aufwenden können. Latenzreduzierung ist ein wichtiger Schwerpunktbereich für FSR 3.0 – AMD hat den Gamer im Auge, mit hohen Bildraten und geringstmöglicher Latenz als Kernanforderungen. Ingenieure suchen auch nach einem reibungslosen Upgrade-Pfad für Titel, die derzeit FSR Version 2.0 verwenden.

You have porridge in your head and everything is mixed up. AMD has nothing but 7x45 on an outdated technical process, which really has pci-e 5.0, but there is nothing to do with them. This series has the most primitive built-in video card, only 64 (96) GB of memory.

7x40 has pci-e 4.0 (no matter how strange it is, everything should be the other way around with the 7x45 series), but the new technical process, so its version of Zen4 cores is much more energy efficient than the 7x45 cores. This series has the newest and most powerful integrated graphics, support 256(384)GB memory. 2 built-in USB40 ports and of course the AI block that AMD boasts so much about.

But the 7x40 series only exists on paper as of April 3...

7x40HS is ideal for business notebooks. But we won't really see mass models with them until winter 2024, when AMD will already promise us Zen4+ by March 2024...