Soldered SSD and WLAN is completely disappointing. Especially SSD can wear out easily if RAM is insufficient.

I was cheering for HP because the Elitebook 845 G9 has replaceable RAM as opposed to Dell and Lenovo offerings. But looks like I will not be recommending a Dragonfly.

Quote from: Poster on March 17, 2023, 19:18:15If this is the price for this class of laptop with 1year+ tech, I really don't want to see the price when or if Zen 4 debuts in the high end or upper mid-range class of consumer/prosumer laptops.

Everything goes as described by me many times and here on other sites. The world is rapidly radicalizing into poor and rich and little "middle class", with huge inflation to burn the debts of Western countries. Models of goods for the "middle class" in the old scale of prices simply do not remain. This class is shrinking due to the inability to keep up with income prices.

Lenders suffer the most. And who is it most often? Older generations with accumulated capital lending to the young.

The younger generations (those who are globally competitive and can consistently index their incomes nominally, at least to the level of real inflation, and not official lies) are only happy about hyperinflation - this is how it burns their debts on loans that were issued at fixed rates in the past.

We get a classic generation gap.

And manufacturers that were focused on the broad "middle class" at first try to reorient themselves to the more prosperous part of consumers, sharply raising prices and hoping for the elasticity of demand in the upper layer of the "middle class", but this process is terminal in terms of income stability and will gradually lead to bankruptcy of the weakest, tk. with rising prices outstripping incomes, shrinking the previously broad middle class, the number of buyers is declining faster than the elasticity of demand can sustain the new prices.

If high inflation continues (or rather accelerates), then the drop out of the "middle class" will become even faster. And we will see an accelerated collapse of many producers oriented towards the old broad demand and cost estimates in production chains designed for this broad demand.

The higher the price - the higher the requirements for the product, for those buyers who earn money with really useful work (kleptocracy, of course, does not care about prices). And the less desire to take it if their assessment of the goods does not match the price.

When the storm ends in 15-20 years in the West, there will be a new "brave world" where the surviving producers will build new variants of demand patterns in a world highly radicalized in terms of income.

If this is the price for this class of laptop with 1year+ tech, I really don't want to see the price when or if Zen 4 debuts in the high end or upper mid-range class of consumer/prosumer laptops.

And once again it must be emphasized that it is incomprehensibly clearly supporting whether the USB40 2 x DP1.4B or is one.

Also, we must not forget that only in tunneling mode with 1 port - the full 25.92gbit/s of useful data on DP are available.

In TB4 2 x DP1.4b mode (and if the USB40 exactly supports two DP simultaneously in DP Alt Mode mode, like TB3/4), the passing strip of each DP output is limited to 20Gbit/s (and even less). Therefore, in this mode, it will not be possible to connect 4K@120Hz, for example, although in tunneling mode (40Gbit/s, i.e. with a margin for DP1.4B), one port is available up to 165HZ with HDR.

We must also not forget that the new 4K@144HZ monitors work in this mode without DSC in HDR only in tunneling mode outside the DP1.4b specifications.

About how 6K Apple Monitors work in TB3/4.

There are a lot of muddy places, and the documentation (non-pay) is limited by the consortium.

Quote from: Ctropo on March 17, 2023, 13:08:43USB4 includes the TB3 support but that's not Limited to TB3's Tunneled DP version as USB4 and the USB Type-C Plug and USB Protocol standards also have Alt Mode DP support capabilities that's not using any TB3/DP Tunneling via the TB3 Protocol for that Alt Mode DP capability. Just Check the USB-IF's relevant documentation there concerning Alt Mode DP versus DP tunneled over the TB3 Protocol!

The problem is that the author, in no doubt, misled the readers, writing TB3, not USB40 ports. Do you understand the difference? The author seems to be no...

Any plans for a review of the Intel/ChromeOS edition of this machine?

3.4 lbs in a 14-inch laptop is quite heavy these days, which makes the "Dragonfly" branding especially confusing, as that name has been given to HP's lightest laptops - more like 2 lbs. If they would put a Zen 4 processor into the Dragonfly G3 body (2.2 lbs), I'd buy it in an instant.

USB4 includes the TB3 support but that's not Limited to TB3's Tunneled DP version as USB4 and the USB Type-C Plug and USB Protocol standards also have Alt Mode DP support capabilities that's not using any TB3/DP Tunneling via the TB3 Protocol for that Alt Mode DP capability. Just Check the USB-IF's relevant documentation there concerning Alt Mode DP versus DP tunneled over the TB3 Protocol!

But that said This laptop is just as expensive as Ryzen Laptops that ship with a more powerful discrete Mobile GPU in addition to the Radeon 680M! So where is the value equation there other than that this HP laptop supports USB4/40Gbs(TB3) in addition to the other USB-IF's USB backwards compatible features support as usual(USB Features are mostly Option for OEMs anyways). This is just a Ryzen 6000 series Rebrand as it's Zen-3+/RDNA2 and there were laptops of the Ryzen 6000 series generation that supported USB4/40Gbs(TB3) in 2022. So this laptop is the kind of laptop that will end up at Micro-center in Jan/Feb of 2024 and as a last year's model and discounted accordingly. AMD's Rebranding just made that Zen-3+/RDNA2 6000 series generation able to be sold rebranded as Ryzen 7035/7036 for larger markups there for an extra year.

Quote from: NikoB on March 16, 2023, 21:06:3716GB (free only 13-14) for 1400 euros with a processor cores outdated for a 1.5 year is simply ridiculous. 32 should be the minimum size at this price in 2023.

32 ia overkill when one can't even fit a browser window 🤷�♂️

Quote from: NikoB on March 06, 2023, 20:59:1514" is too small to fit even a browser window. Not to mention effective work without harm to vision.

Only use as a system unit with an external keyboard and monitor.

Wow, 13 hours of real world battery life for such a powerful windows machine!

Again no data for AIDA64 tests in review...

Performance is good, but noise high.

TB3 do not support DP1.4/HDR, only DP1.2.

16GB (free only 13-14) for 1400 euros with a processor cores outdated for a 1.5 year is simply ridiculous. 32 should be the minimum size at this price in 2023.

Against the backdrop of the speed of the integrated video card M2 Pro (system mem speed 200Gbyte/s) and even more so M2 Max(system mem speed 400Gbyte/s), Intel/AMD mem controllers and igpu speed now cause only a smile with such SoC consumption...

The internals are looking Beautiful as well but not quite the level of Apple. Still very nice HP.

With 66ms GtG - it mean that above 15.5 FPS  you will see ghosting   (1000/66 kind of 15.5)