AMD figuring out it would be nice but then softwares also need to implement it the AMD way. I do not know why AMD does not simply use CUDA and tensor cores, too. Too large license fees or is AMD not even willing to pay a small amount? I guess, AMD for GPUs is too focused on 3D gaming customers.

Currently, me using AMD would mean ca. 1/2 the speed and several times as many bugs. Intel would be much worse. So do not speak of Stockholm.

For quite a few work applications (other than the infamous Siemens), matters are just not those of 3D gaming, for which there can be the same speed with hardly any bugs.

Quote from: RobertJasiek on March 17, 2023, 01:29:58I may be forced to buy one of them because I am running out of options with waiting for RTX 5000 or 6000 or 7000 or 8000 or 9000... being the only other option. If I already owned some earlier dGPU, I would wait for RTX 10,000 or longer, provided the earlier one would survive long enough and then could not be repaired. Nvidia may win this waiting game after 3 years of me buying nothing but Nvidia will pay the price: instead of upgrading frequently, I will not upgrade for 10 years for the sole reason of punishing Nvidia.

In Germany, there is no working used market. I do not want to buy used at 85% MSRP and the standard condition "not even any immediate return if the card is dead".

For my usage, which is not 3D gaming, CUDA or Optix are essential so AMD or Intel are no options. For my needed speed, RTX 3000 Laptop is too slow while RTX 3080 10GB Desktop, RTX 4070 TI, maybe 4070 Desktop, maybe 4080 Laptop are fast enough. With (semi-)professional use, I also cannot prolong abstaining from dGPUs entirely, as 3D gaming hobbyists can choose to do by stopping their hobby or going console. Thus far, I could do my profession on topics not needing a dGPU, but rather soon I also will need some.

I try to avoid the overpriced RTX 4000 Desktop cards but notebook manufacturers compete with each other in how well they fail to offer suitable 4080 Laptop notebooks for me at prices less greedy than Nvidia itself. Incompetence and / or greed prevail thus far.

I am not as badly affected as those professionals needing to buy during the height of the mining boom but I am still close to being Nvidia's perfect victim. That is, for its short-term greed. In the long term, Nvidia makes much less money from me. This is how stock companies are run nowadays: as if there is no tomorrow. The only thing that counts is immediate profit.

I wonder if in the end "gaming" dGPUs become extinct and eventually only then fast enough iGPUs and €6000+ professional series dGPUs will survive.

"Punish" Nvidia... by buying their products. There's the stranglehold.

AMD is working on schemes to make CUDA and such irrelevant. Because they know there are so many people like you stuck in Stockholm. Hopefully they have it figured out before RTX 10000.

I may be forced to buy one of them because I am running out of options with waiting for RTX 5000 or 6000 or 7000 or 8000 or 9000... being the only other option. If I already owned some earlier dGPU, I would wait for RTX 10,000 or longer, provided the earlier one would survive long enough and then could not be repaired. Nvidia may win this waiting game after 3 years of me buying nothing but Nvidia will pay the price: instead of upgrading frequently, I will not upgrade for 10 years for the sole reason of punishing Nvidia.

In Germany, there is no working used market. I do not want to buy used at 85% MSRP and the standard condition "not even any immediate return if the card is dead".

For my usage, which is not 3D gaming, CUDA or Optix are essential so AMD or Intel are no options. For my needed speed, RTX 3000 Laptop is too slow while RTX 3080 10GB Desktop, RTX 4070 TI, maybe 4070 Desktop, maybe 4080 Laptop are fast enough. With (semi-)professional use, I also cannot prolong abstaining from dGPUs entirely, as 3D gaming hobbyists can choose to do by stopping their hobby or going console. Thus far, I could do my profession on topics not needing a dGPU, but rather soon I also will need some.

I try to avoid the overpriced RTX 4000 Desktop cards but notebook manufacturers compete with each other in how well they fail to offer suitable 4080 Laptop notebooks for me at prices less greedy than Nvidia itself. Incompetence and / or greed prevail thus far.

I am not as badly affected as those professionals needing to buy during the height of the mining boom but I am still close to being Nvidia's perfect victim. That is, for its short-term greed. In the long term, Nvidia makes much less money from me. This is how stock companies are run nowadays: as if there is no tomorrow. The only thing that counts is immediate profit.

I wonder if in the end "gaming" dGPUs become extinct and eventually only then fast enough iGPUs and €6000+ professional series dGPUs will survive.

4070ti and 4070 are both overpriced, a lot. Why buy any of them?

But if the 4070 TI is $50 more, just buy that and be done with it. Doesn't seem to be a very smart strategy from Nvidia.

The market shrinks because the prices are too high.

We face both lack of competition(Nvidia especially is very comfortable profiting heftily from ML) and a shrinking market. The situation is bad but there's not much to do about it.