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Posted by NikoB
 - December 20, 2022, 23:30:20
To milk the market need to sell something and the ratio of laptops with intel and AMD of one year of level is 10:1 in retail. AMD has no profit. Stocks are plummeting, after rising more than 45 times since 2015. It's all over. Intel previously kept AMD from sinking like an antitrust pad - but now there is  Majesty Arm and TSMC+Apple, so this time no one will save AMD and its Arab investors.
Posted by Russell
 - December 20, 2022, 22:30:04
Quote from: NikoB on December 20, 2022, 20:19:53On the contrary, Lenovo is the best company on the market. After all, she makes Legion 7. ;)

But if you look at the market as a whole (just scan the market for 15.6 models with 6600/6650u/6800/6850U) and you will find almost nothing. Why Google - open a page on NB with each of the indicated Zen3 + processors - did they test many models in 2022 in the 15.6 sector? Now compare with Zen2(+)? That is why I write that AMD has been producing virtual processors for 2 years now. Well, Intel also took up this, although their laptops with Alder Lake U / P are already much more in retail. This is the difference between a fabless company and one that controls the entire market and has its own factories. There is no point in developing advanced processors if AMD cannot supply mass and cheap supplies to laptop manufacturers. Therefore, since 2022, it began to rapidly lose market share in favor of Intel.

I think intel would still have beaten amd when it comes to laptops because of the perception of the masses that intel inside is the best and years of brainwashing about 'i5 is for everyone' and 'i7 is the best'.
Besides, zen 2 was the only time that amd could claim an absolute advantage when it comes to laptop chips, by the time Zen 3 was released, intel wasn't a total mess anymore.
Had zen 3 been released with RDNA, things would've been different.
AMD was definitely lazy there, greedy as well. And they had to pay for that.
Like you mentioned, being fabless gives them absolutely no room for error.
The advantage that was brought along by zen is not going to be there anymore. Jim Keller was involved in designs upto zen 4.
All the success that amd is enjoying now is because of someone who already left the company a while back.
And his dream project, K12 with ARM architecture was shelved.

AMD's higher ups are going for the milking route that we have accused intel of, for ages.
And they're gonna milk as much as they can and then let the ship sink. We'll probably see mass Exodus of administrative level people like Frank and Lisa soon enough.
xD
Posted by NikoB
 - December 20, 2022, 20:22:37
In 2023, if the world does not burn in a nuclear flame, it will be the same - the entire market will be littered with obsolete models on Zen3 + (which we wanted so much in 2022), and Zen4 in the mass class 15.6+ you will not be able to find models even with a flashlight on the shelves during the day . =)
Posted by NikoB
 - December 20, 2022, 20:19:53
On the contrary, Lenovo is the best company on the market. After all, she makes Legion 7. ;)

But if you look at the market as a whole (just scan the market for 15.6 models with 6600/6650u/6800/6850U) and you will find almost nothing. Why Google - open a page on NB with each of the indicated Zen3 + processors - did they test many models in 2022 in the 15.6 sector? Now compare with Zen2(+)? That is why I write that AMD has been producing virtual processors for 2 years now. Well, Intel also took up this, although their laptops with Alder Lake U / P are already much more in retail. This is the difference between a fabless company and one that controls the entire market and has its own factories. There is no point in developing advanced processors if AMD cannot supply mass and cheap supplies to laptop manufacturers. Therefore, since 2022, it began to rapidly lose market share in favor of Intel.
Posted by Russel
 - December 20, 2022, 18:18:28
Quote from: NikoB on December 20, 2022, 16:27:04It's so funny but there were practically no Lenovo models with Zen3+ in mass retail, and they are already allegedly riveting with Zen4. Again virtual series, Lenovo? ))

You really have something personal against Lenovo. Don't you? XD

Anyway Lenovo seems to be more interested in tricking the customers into buying products with old chips pretending to be new than take advantage of the exclusivities provided by amd like TR pro or Ryzen pro Z for thinkpad Z.
I think amd's new naming scheme is going to bring them a lot of hate. And there's no one to blame but themselves.
Posted by NikoB
 - December 20, 2022, 16:27:04
It's so funny but there were practically no Lenovo models with Zen3+ in mass retail, and they are already allegedly riveting with Zen4. Again virtual series, Lenovo? ))
Posted by Redaktion
 - December 20, 2022, 15:01:27
Highlights for the AMD-powered 2023 IdeaPad Slim 5 laptops include three Barcelo-R processor options with Zen 3 cores and RX Vega graphics, up to 16 of DDR4 RAM, up to 1 TB PCIe NVMe SSD storage, extended security features, miniSD card reader and an OLED screen option for the 14-inch variants.

https://www.notebookcheck.net/Lenovo-introduces-IdeaPad-Slim-5-14-16-thin-and-light-laptops-with-AMD-Ryzen-7000U-processors.675765.0.html