In fact, the author of the note was of course mistaken - the 31" version is more expensive. ;)

USB40(TB4) input is there, formally, Lenovo could install a 4k@144Hz panel in 30-bit mode (36Gbps) there (by the way, there are not real 10 bits per point, but 8 bits+2(frc)), but apparently could not find panels on the market with 1000+ nits and such a color coverage and a frequency of 144Hz. Well, in general, if there is a response below 7ms on B2W/G2G, then everything will be quite good with 60Hz.

The price is certainly too big for 4k. Now, if it was 8k, then everything is OK, give me 2, I'm the first in line (I'll take both 27 and 31) ... But there will be nowhere to connect them ...)))

Should they then both models cost $1,699???

Quote from: NikoB on December 20, 2022, 16:24:57

Quote from: Hunter2020 on December 20, 2022, 15:36:23I have a 300 nits monitor, have to turn the brightness down to 25% to stop it from hurting my eyes.  Who in the world wants a 1200 nits monitor?

I have one very old monitor out of several  with 350 nits by datasheet. I use it for 14+ years on with 0% brightness and 30% contrast. It too bright...Even after 14 years, it delivers over 300 nits at 100% brightness and 80% contrast. 1200? fot what if even on a sunny day, 50% contrast and 0% brightness are enough for me in the room with 14+ years age montor?

I also have an old 2006 SPVA from Samsung in one corner, which is already slightly hooked, but has not been used for a long time, although it is working. There, the backlights flare up quite slowly. In the 14 year old, it is also already clear that the CCFL backlight begins to sag, although after warming up (~5-6 min) the brightness is more than enough even for 30% contrast and 0% brightness. It has already worked on the counter for more than 38100 hours...

Much worse is that the new monitor has only 1100 backlight zones (in the iPad 4000+, despite the fact that this is much more noticeable on the monitor due to its size). Instead of at least 8000 zones. We are waiting for microLED, a complete analogue of AMOLED. BUT without low-frequency flicker - otherwise we don't need it either.

Well, 4k resolution at 31 "does not suit me - only 8k, so that there are perfectly sharp fonts even in Chrome, where it is impossible to turn off muddy black and white anti-aliasing. Fortunately, so far FireFox shows sharply with a single checkmark in the settings. Only he and saves, although it does not have a built-in translator from other languages, and some sites are not translated normally in FireFox - apparently Google intends to put spokes in the wheels of Mozilla.

Quote from: Price Tag on December 20, 2022, 15:41:38ThinkVision P32pz-30 >> $1,699 ??? >> $1,999
ThinkVision P27pz-30 >> $1,999 ??? >> $1,699

27" 4k has a higher ppi compared to 31", so it's better in font clarity, so it's more professional and more expensive. =)

In general, I prefer 23" monitors with 4k - but even there ppi is only around 196, but about 300 is needed...

Quote from: Pooh Sheisty on December 20, 2022, 16:44:2160hz + that price = :l

As I wrote above - no one in reality today has full-fledged HDMI 2.1 controllers, and DP2.0 is only 1/2 of the full one, although in general TB4 (40Gbps) or 1/2 DP2.0 (40Gbps) is quite enough to output 4k @144Hz in 30-bit color.

But Lenovo does not have full-fledged HDMI 2.1 controllers in these monitors, nor TB4 usb-c inputs, nor DP2.0, although 1/2 of the full. That's why they install the panel with 60Hz rather than 120-144Hz at 30 bits color in lossless mode...

Expect full DP2.0 monitors 8k@60Hz (290ppi+ for 31" 16:10) and 4k@120-165Hz late 2023, early 2024. Before this period, I see no reason to update old monitors.

By the way, the HDMI 2.1 ports in them are 100% fake - only 24Gb/s, not the full 48Gb/s. That's why Lenovo didn't give buyers options with @120-165Hz at 30 bits, because modern halved HDMI 2.1 controllers are not capable of this. As well as morally obsolete long ago DP1.4b with a maximum bandwidth of 25.9Gb/s(32Gb/s with service data).

And the new Zen4 also does not support full-fledged DP2.0 with 80Gbit/s, but only 40Gb/s (UHBR10) mode according to AMD specifications.

Although even older monitors can easily have less than 10ms response on G2G/B2W with only 60Hz frame rates. Which is many times better than terribly slow laptop panels at 60Hz.

We are waiting for Zen4+ (or already Zen5) and Raptor Lake+, because. current versions of integrated video chips do not support full DP2.0 and full HDMI 2.1 which will never support 8k monitors...

60hz + that price = :l

Quote from: Hunter2020 on December 20, 2022, 15:36:23I have a 300 nits monitor, have to turn the brightness down to 25% to stop it from hurting my eyes.  Who in the world wants a 1200 nits monitor?

I have one very old monitor out of several  with 350 nits by datasheet. I use it for 14+ years on with 0% brightness and 30% contrast. It too bright...Even after 14 years, it delivers over 300 nits at 100% brightness and 80% contrast. 1200? fot what if even on a sunny day, 50% contrast and 0% brightness are enough for me in the room with 14+ years age montor?

I also have an old 2006 SPVA from Samsung in one corner, which is already slightly hooked, but has not been used for a long time, although it is working. There, the backlights flare up quite slowly. In the 14 year old, it is also already clear that the CCFL backlight begins to sag, although after warming up (~5-6 min) the brightness is more than enough even for 30% contrast and 0% brightness. It has already worked on the counter for more than 38100 hours...

Much worse is that the new monitor has only 1100 backlight zones (in the iPad 4000+, despite the fact that this is much more noticeable on the monitor due to its size). Instead of at least 8000 zones. We are waiting for microLED, a complete analogue of AMOLED. BUT without low-frequency flicker - otherwise we don't need it either.

Well, 4k resolution at 31 "does not suit me - only 8k, so that there are perfectly sharp fonts even in Chrome, where it is impossible to turn off muddy black and white anti-aliasing. Fortunately, so far FireFox shows sharply with a single checkmark in the settings. Only he and saves, although it does not have a built-in translator from other languages, and some sites are not translated normally in FireFox - apparently Google intends to put spokes in the wheels of Mozilla.

Quote from: Price Tag on December 20, 2022, 15:41:38ThinkVision P32pz-30 >> $1,699 ??? >> $1,999
ThinkVision P27pz-30 >> $1,999 ??? >> $1,699

27" 4k has a higher ppi compared to 31", so it's better in font clarity, so it's more professional and more expensive. =)

In general, I prefer 23" monitors with 4k - but even there ppi is only around 196, but about 300 is needed...

... The company has now announced two mini-LED monitors called the ThinkVision P32pz-30 and ThinkVision P27pz-30, both of which are targeted at professionals. They will be up for grabs in August 2023 at a starting price of $1,699 and $1,999, respectively. ...

ThinkVision P32pz-30 >> $1,699 ??? >> $1,999
ThinkVision P27pz-30 >> $1,999 ??? >> $1,699

... The company has now announced two mini-LED monitors called the ThinkVision P32pz-30 and ThinkVision P27pz-30, both of which are targeted at professionals. They will be up for grabs in August 2023 at a starting price of $1,999 and $1,699, respectively. ...

What in the world are these OEMs smoking?  I have a 300 nits monitor, have to turn the brightness down to 25% to stop it from hurting my eyes.  Who in the world wants a 1200 nits monitor?