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Posted by S.Yu
 - December 15, 2022, 15:59:11
Quote from: CCPUyghurGenocide on December 13, 2022, 19:35:15You're right on the effing money here, son.

There is nothing left from the ThinkPad brand after Lenovo (or the CCP) crippled their laptops with 1.5mm -and shallower keyboards - like they cripple freedom of speech.

My HP EliteBook 830 G5 (2018 shyte laptop) has 4 loose keys after 3yr 3months of use as work laptop while my X1 Extreme G1 (same keyboard as G2, G3) still has a near perfect keyboard.
My ThinkPad X1 G4 already has 1 loose key after 1 year.

Even in Switzerland the RTX 3080 Ti option costs 5489CHF and 3299CHF with 40% discount which is still ~900CHF more expensive than a maxed out Legion 7/Slim 7.

We need an Asus G14/G16 with ThinkPad keyboard.
I'm all for Thinkpad reverting mostly to IBM-era designs(the 30th anniversary? model a while back was the best released since Lenovo took over) but Lenovo really doesn't have that much to do with the CCP😅, it's internationally owned and IIRC less than half is Chinese capital. If you think about it the Party also doesn't have that much incentive to control Lenovo at the risk of arousing suspicion such as yours. Lenovo is just a company selling non-strategic merchandise at a modest profit.
Posted by NikoB
 - December 14, 2022, 14:15:28
The same amazing that someone is buying this, not counting apparently their own money. Otherwise, why do these garbage series do?

In theory, the price should reflect the quality of the goods, but in this to the filthy the world of greed and vices, it no longer reflects anything. If you buy a frantic expensive thing, nothing is guaranteed to you that the goods will exceed the cheaper in everything.

Despite the fact that for industry (if you discard the wildest greed of shareholders in the pursuit of profit, apparently for anything), a high-quality home laptop is easy to do at 1000 even current, very depreciated by runaway inflation, dollars, thanks to the criminal efforts of the thieves banking mafia,taking orders of magnitude inflated bribes for their pitiful services and headed by the Fed and the left-wing politicians-populists constantly requiring even more printing money...

And an increasing number of parasitic layers of the population on the planet with an ever smaller layer of productive people for the benefit of the development of civilization and the progress of mankind.

Hence all the troubles. An ever smaller productive layer needs to serve the interests of an ever larger parasitic layer. And in a "democracy", the majority always wins and imposes its conditions on the minority until it rebels and refuses to provide for the majority...

So we are waiting for a civilizational collapse and a denouement with a real rebellion of the productive layer. It's already starting...
Posted by CCPUyghurGenocide
 - December 13, 2022, 19:35:15
You're right on the effing money here, son.

There is nothing left from the ThinkPad brand after Lenovo (or the CCP) crippled their laptops with 1.5mm -and shallower keyboards - like they cripple freedom of speech.

My HP EliteBook 830 G5 (2018 shyte laptop) has 4 loose keys after 3yr 3months of use as work laptop while my X1 Extreme G1 (same keyboard as G2, G3) still has a near perfect keyboard.
My ThinkPad X1 G4 already has 1 loose key after 1 year.

Even in Switzerland the RTX 3080 Ti option costs 5489CHF and 3299CHF with 40% discount which is still ~900CHF more expensive than a maxed out Legion 7/Slim 7.

We need an Asus G14/G16 with ThinkPad keyboard.
Posted by Jorge Riquelme
 - December 12, 2022, 21:42:44
Thank you. I'll keep my X1E Gen3 and his excellent 1,8mm travel keyboard for another year.

This keyboard is far better than the Magic Keyboard on my 14" 2021 MacBook Pro.
Posted by Ulad
 - December 12, 2022, 20:45:28
At least someone begin to tell the truth about what Lenovo is doing with ThinkPad series. Usually you can't just buy ThinkPad, with Lenovo your always have to read reviews and documentations to be sure you won't be deceived. This is ridiculous - laptop with 2k price maybe peace of sh..t, but on paper everything is fine.
Posted by John Brown
 - December 12, 2022, 17:46:45
100%. I am holding off buying this (or any current thinkpad) because of the keyboard. They need to get back to at least 1.8mm -- it makes all the difference in building a rhythm as you type, which you just can't do at 1.5mm.

Personally though I'd love to see something like a 16" X1 Carbon with 1.8mm travel, a color-accurate screen, 8TB internal PCIe storage, Thunderbolt 4, and yoga-folding/pen abilities. I need the ergonomics and art-optimized format: I'm a designer and developer and photographer, and there is currently nothing in their lineup that suites this perfectly (I wound up recently going with a Yoga 9i, but wish it had a proper 1.8mm keyboard at a minimum -- a low-profile mechanical like the Alienware has would be even nicer).
Posted by Redaktion
 - December 12, 2022, 10:24:01
The ThinkPad X1 Extreme is supposed to be Lenovo's flagship ThinkPad product, but this is mainly noticeable when you look at the price. There are some disappointing aspects for 3500 Euros, including the weaker keyboard and the low GPU performance.

https://www.notebookcheck.net/Lenovo-s-ThinkPad-X1-Extreme-G5-is-too-expensive-and-does-not-offer-enough-GPU-power.673533.0.html