This long we have to wait for AMD 7000 CPU notebooks. Different models will appear sooner, others later. Hopefully, the aforementioned improvements will occur.

Quote from: RobertJasiek on November 30, 2022, 20:31:53If you need or can use 30 - 45% speed increase or some lower noise due to improved efficiency, wait. You might have to wait to February to September depending on the model.

What do you mean by this pls?

Well, not too sure what to say actually or what the problem was before earlier years ago on win 10 laptop.

But running older DX 8/9 era games just works now, tested on a new win 11 laptop -- no issues between switching. You just tell windows, through the graphics settings panel - what executable/game you'd like to run on which adaptor (dGPU/iGPU) and it lets you choose and actually works flawlessly.

I couldn't get C&C GZH to work properly tho (due to running into another issue which made me give up), but I did test other older dx api games (Unreal Tournament 2004, C&C Red Alert 3, etc) and they all ran perfectly. So based on that, I'm pretty sure everything will work. (aslong as don't run into other issues)

Good! Can you share what you have learned so we learn, too, please?

@RobertJasiek:

It's okay, I figured it out now. :)

I am sorry but I am not an expert for DirectX and FPS so cannot answer your related specific questions. Hopefully, some 3D gamer can answer them.

Any idea if it's possible to run DirectX8 games on dgpu? The last time I tried running C&C Generals Zero Hour (a dx8 game) on a win 10 laptop, it'd only run on igpu (and as a result the FPS suffered, couldn't run it @ 120 FPS on 3k resolution consistently). Seemed to be an Nvidia Optimus/MSHybrid related issue when running older games.

Because of the above, not too sure exactly how much I need. You'd think for such an ancient (2003) game, anything would be enough, but no.

If you need or can use 30 - 45% speed increase or some lower noise due to improved efficiency, wait. You might have to wait to February to September depending on the model.

Dorby,

It seems you've used quite a few notebooks. I'm looking for a new one (for some light / casual gaming) and looking for some advice. Thinking about getting one of the following:

flow x13 (2022)
yoga slim 7 pro X (AMD)
Vision 14 (2022)

Which would you pick, assuming price is pretty much the same between all of them. Or should wait until mobile Ryzen 7000 release along with mobile rtx 4000 series? Looking for something around 13"-14" around 3lbs.

Quote from: riklaunim on November 02, 2022, 01:21:24Still using H-series chips and limiting their power is kind of dumb

Yes this is exactly my point. Manufacturers are playing the "my benchmark score is higher" game, and consumers are worse off for it. There are so many laptops this year with Intel H/P-series CPUs, that used U-series lineup in the same chassis right up until last year.

A lot of consumers who are not tech savvy enthusiasts like us, tend to believe that H/HX/HS series are better just because the numbers are higher. When in reality, these laptop will generate more heat, more noise, offer significantly less battery, for nearly identical sustained performance as U-series (in a confined chassis). And people who are looking for "ultrabooks" will never even use that multi-threaded performance, ever.

As for the Dell XPS 9315, the issue is that it comes with a tiny 50Wh battery. I am the minority who prefer a highres display and with XPS's 4K IPS Touchscreen, I simply find its ~5h battery life very inadequate.

Quote from: Dorby on November 01, 2022, 22:30:27You missed my point about "battery life" =)

AMD Advantage gaming laptops pull 10+ hours. Properly designed ultraportable also if not more. If you really need crazy battery life you can go with Snapdragon-based laptops but that limits your performance/feature options.

Quote from: Dorby on November 01, 2022, 22:30:27A 12700H capped at 30W in slim chassis on battery power is not going to deliver on performing hours and hours of multi-threaded CPU bound application,

If you are doing compute-heavy work on the battery it will be drained quickly. If you put in a much weaker CPU, the computing work will take way longer and probably use the same amount of energy in the end.

Still using H-series chips and limiting their power is kind of dumb unless for some reason they are cheaper...

Quote from: Dorby on November 01, 2022, 22:30:27Not to mention AMD CPUs are practically unattainable for small boutique manufacturers such as Clevo and TongFang.

GPD has them, OnePlayer has them. TongFang was one of the first to have Ryzen 5800H-only laptop with no dGPU, which was then branded by Schenker, Eluktronix, and even KDE Foundation, and alike. Right now Clevo has a cheap 5825U with the cellular modem in my local reseller. Clevo also makes desktop-Ryzen DTRs. They have the allocation.

6800U and H/HS with LPDDR5 models are super rare though - like Lenovo has few but available on some limited markets. It seems like due to a drop in sales worldwide laptop makers and AMD aren't pushing that high of a volume. With the upcoming 7000 series launch which is a substantial one (6000 aside from the iGPU and USB4 is pretty much the same as 5000) I would say 6000 was not that appealing to refresh laptops when existing stock would benchmark pretty much the same.

Quote from: Dorby on November 01, 2022, 22:30:271255U + 99Wh on the other hand? Creates a selling point for people looking for 15 hours+ battery on a non-MacBook.

Or get a Snapdragon with 2 days of battery life! At some point, you are having battery life marketing similar to camera pixel count race while you omit performance. There are already Intel 12th U-series chips in laptops. They aren't the best when it comes to performance or battery life so you would be paying for less than what is currently possible.

And doesn't the Dell XPS 13 has it? Apple YouTubers use it to show how Apple is ahead ;)

As it's November already it's better to just wait for CES to see what new AMD will offer and what Intel is planning.

Quote from: riklaunim on November 01, 2022, 18:54:25

Quote from: Dorby on October 28, 2022, 23:11:3399Wh battery paired with i7-1255U instead of 12700H, and this would have been the perfect battery champ to go up against Apple MBP 13.

1255U would not compete with Apple or AMD. If it had 6800U/HS it could compete with M1, if it would have future 7800U (which will be like 7750U???) then it could compete somewhere between M2 and M1 Pro depending on iGPU and CPU performance levels. Intel is way behind when it comes to low-power limit CPU performance. If you give it more power it tops the charts but it needs that extra power to do so.

You missed my point about "battery life" =)

For "performance on battery power per weight", nothing will top Apple M1 Max for a long while. A 12700H capped at 30W in slim chassis on battery power is not going to deliver on performing hours and hours of multi-threaded CPU bound application, no matter how impressive the chip is on paper. Which is what I suppose this laptop was designed for.

Not to mention AMD CPUs are practically unattainable for small boutique manufacturers such as Clevo and TongFang.

1255U + 99Wh on the other hand? Creates a selling point for people looking for 15 hours+ battery on a non-MacBook.

Quote from: Dorby on October 28, 2022, 23:11:3399Wh battery paired with i7-1255U instead of 12700H, and this would have been the perfect battery champ to go up against Apple MBP 13.

1255U would not compete with Apple or AMD. If it had 6800U/HS it could compete with M1, if it would have future 7800U (which will be like 7750U???) then it could compete somewhere between M2 and M1 Pro depending on iGPU and CPU performance levels. Intel is way behind when it comes to low-power limit CPU performance. If you give it more power it tops the charts but it needs that extra power to do so.

Thanks Notebookcheck for the accurate review (as you always do)!
Your results seems to reflect what the manufacturer claimed on their Reddit page.
It looks like Schenker's guys tried to stuff as much powerful hardware as possible in this chassis. Unfortunately, this comes at a cost of more than 2K€.
Few limitations of this "almost perfect" laptop are: no support for LPDDR5 RAM, and limited performances under USB-C charging mode (that is ok for battery charging purposes, but you still need the barrel charger to unleash the full potential of this laptop and adding extra weight to carry around).
Looking forward for the close competitor: the Asus VivoBook K6400 that has a similar CPU/GPU configuration.   
   

It seems to much hardware for the chassis increasing the price unnecessarily. it would have been interesting to compare this with a 12450H or 1260P.

Thanks for Blender Benchmark GPU test.